Craptiva

[SVTVNM]

They are totally paying out on Holden and the Captiva as a Lemon

[R-Design]

Missed it, please explain!

[Mr Hardware]

A mate of mine has just put down fifty large on a craptiva! Why would you!

[Iggypoppin']

Originally Posted by Mr Hardware

A mate of mine has just put down fifty large on a craptiva! Why would you!

is it too late to show him this and he can excercise his right to the "cooling off" period? perhaps an article like this will prove that A) its a crap car and B) he will only be worse off for buying it.

[Windsor220]

I hadnt driven one until I got a job at Holden. I couldnt believe that is what people were buying over Territories. Looks and feels like cheap rubbish.

[Chopped]

Today Tonight and A Current Affair are both crap shows. Gutter Journalism.
They rely on sensationalism and catchy headlines to keep you watching (notice they always have a new "easy way to loose weight" headline!).

I'm not sticking up for the Captiva (couldn't care less about it / just highlighting hypocrisy!) but if this was a Territory, I'm sure you would all be bagging the show, the media are Ford bashers, those owners sound like whingers etc etc

I do agree with the show saying that the "Lemon Law" should be introduced here.

[BGBOSS]

Don't tell anyone.. but I actually work as a holden tech. And to tell you the truth, we haven't had many troubles with the captivas at all. From my experience, they've been one of the better cars of the holden fleet, even if they are daewoos. Sure you get a few shocker cars here and there, but show me a line of car that hasn't.

Not trying to defend captivas or anything, but if you base your opinions on anything from what you see on current affair/today tonight...... :

[pauljh74]

As soon as I heard "Captiva" was the name of the car upon release - I called it a Craptiva and have ever since. My sister bought one - so I've held my tongue in her presence because she only recently paid about $30k for a 2nd hand one. I don't think she's had any issues so far. I suppose it is one of the cheaper 7 seater SUVs - she has 2 boys and her partner has 2 boys, so they need 6 seats minimum.

[aussie muscle]

Originally Posted by Chopped

Today Tonight and A Current Affair are both crap shows. Gutter Journalism.

I do agree with the show saying that the "Lemon Law" should be introduced here.

i agree on TT and ACA, both

What's the difference between united states lemon laws and ours. here they can fix it as many times as needed while in warranty, where there's a cut off point in usa where the manuf has to buy the car back?

[peaandham]

Loved watching it, they cant even seal the rear windscreen !

[cosmo20btt]

If I never saw the program I would not have thought that the Craptiva never had any problems, Holden must be good at keeping it under the covers.
Off topic but how does anyone compare a Craptiva with a Territory, just not in the same league.

[Archilino]

Dam they trashed it every second they could, mind you when i saw the commercial on the news about it with the sillouette of a 4WD in the background i though territory straight away.

[SSD-85]

All I can say is, its about damn time the media give Holden the beating theyve loooonngg deserved.

[kezzer]

Originally Posted by Scotty85

All I can say is, its about damn time the media give Holden the beating theyve loooonngg deserved.

Seems the media lately is hellbent on destroying the aussie car industry, as if it needs any help :togo: The Ford exploder, and now the Craptiva, not to mention the COUNTLESS articles depicting ford, holden and toyota cars in a bad (unfair) light. With f**knut journo's like this in Australia, won't be very long till we are all driving imported cars.

Lemons aren't specific to any one brand, it can happen, I think Holden's response is what counts in these circumstances. Looking at the reply on todaytonights website it seems they are going to good lengths to fix it. Todaytonight is always bias, I wouldn't believe half of what was said on that stupid show.

Saying that, I still wouldn't drive a Craptiva

[Paxton]

Originally Posted by kezzer

Seems the media lately is hellbent on destroying the aussie car industry, as if it needs any help :togo: The Ford exploder, and now the Craptiva, not to mention the COUNTLESS articles depicting ford, holden and toyota cars in a bad (unfair) light. With f**knut journo's like this in Australia, won't be very long till we are all driving imported cars.

Lemons aren't specific to any one brand, it can happen, I think Holden's response is what counts in these circumstances. Looking at the reply on todaytonights website it seems they are going to good lengths to fix it. Todaytonight is always bias, I wouldn't believe half of what was said on that stupid show.

Saying that, I still wouldn't drive a Craptiva

What has a Korean Holden and an American Ford got to do with the Local Car industry?

If it was a Camry/Aurion, Falcon/Territory, or a Commodore you could say something, but it isn't. Don't forget that if Ford or Holden pulled up stumps here, they'd do a Mitsubishi, and remain as a full time importer. That being said, Ford Australia is still the Falcon motor company.

[kezzer]

Originally Posted by Paxton

What has a Korean Holden and an American Ford got to do with the Local Car industry?

If it was a Camry/Aurion, Falcon/Territory, or a Commodore you could say something, but it isn't. Don't forget that if Ford or Holden pulled up stumps here, they'd do a Mitsubishi, and remain as a full time importer. That being said, Ford Australia is still the Falcon motor company.

ahh yeah fair enough, just seems the media loves to jump on the band wagon is all, im sure the explorer and craptiva on the news will sway a few people to avoiding ford and holden all together though.

[Paxton]

Originally Posted by kezzer

ahh yeah fair enough, just seems the media loves to jump on the band wagon is all, im sure the explorer and craptiva on the news will sway a few people to avoiding ford and holden all together though.

I wouldn't say that.

Ford don't import the Exploder any more, especially with Territory. Holden's Craptiva on the other hand...

[Swordsman88]

Originally Posted by Paxton

What has a Korean Holden and an American Ford got to do with the Local Car industry?

If it was a Camry/Aurion, Falcon/Territory, or a Commodore you could say something, but it isn't. Don't forget that if Ford or Holden pulled up stumps here, they'd do a Mitsubishi, and remain as a full time importer. That being said, Ford Australia is still the Falcon motor company.

Development wise yes, but sales split is probably going to continue a slow move towards a fairer distribution. For example, fiesta salesa were 40% as much as falcon sales last month...didn't think i'd ever see the day that happened....

[TUF_302]

Originally Posted by Scotty85

All I can say is, its about damn time the media give Holden the beating theyve loooonngg deserved.

Here here!, 10 years ago if you told people that one day a large amount of the cars in the Holden line up would be Daewoos they would have laughed in your face!

How things have changed

[mik]

i saw the aca tonight, one of the Kraptiva`s had been back 30 times, if ever there was a case for lemon laws thats it. sure would be interesting to know what effect the lemon laws have had on owners and car manufacturers over`sea`s , good or bad .

[PDIDDY]

When I was managing a Toyota dealership, we swapped 2 people out of Craptiva's, and put them into Klugers. The senior management team decided that this was the best thing to do, as it would save face seeing as they are also Holden dealers. Both the Craptivas spent more time in the workshop, than in the customers garage. In the end, the easiest solution was to get these people out of their vehicles, in case they went to shows like Today Tonight. (Not that a dealer would ever try to hide anything LOL)

[El Venom]

I used to work at a holden dealer and there was only 1 craptiva sold in 12 months there, but every week there would be 2 or 3 craptiva threw the service department usually with electrical issues.

But when I think about it, the dealer ship where i was also sold nissans, so why buy the craptiva when the pathfinder, murano, x trail and possibley navara would look to be the better cars. If I was looking at something like a craptiva I would happily loose the extra seats to get something that drives, looks, as capable off road, feels so much better and be cheaper. That car would be a nissan xtrail turbo diesel

[csv8]

Where's KUGA ? When we need it !!!!

[jd dad]

lemons are restricted to just the big three here. There is a black late model Mercedes van getting around here with "this car is a lemon" in big yellow letters down the sides and across the back. Freq parked on the highway and outside the dealers yard.
Its about time the pollies pulled their noses out of the trough and actually did something about lemon laws instead of just paying lip service

[Spitfire 6.2]

A mate of mine bought a new Captiva about 2 years ago, he got one with the lot, it cost him plenty so I thought it best to shut my mouth even though the word Craptiva was constantly running through my head.
Anyway when he bought it he knew it was made in Korea, but went on to say that it had a Commodore V6 engine and transmission, so that made it an Aussie car.
What is it with these Holden people, they think Holdens are Aussie, even when they know they have been manufactured in another country. Its the same as the ones who put Chev badges on Commondores because its got a Chev V8. :

[mitch]

Have you guys heard about the new recall for the craptiva.It was in the West Australian on thursday, Steering failure,yes STEERING failure

A work mate came into the crib room the same day sprouting about the article in the same paper, that the holden commodore was the best selling car in WA for the year,which got most of the other boys bagging me as well about how holden is this and that and Fords are crap ad naseum ad naseum.

UNTIL i pointed out the small recall notice for the holden craptiva at the back of the paper. You should have heard the excuses come out then until the subject changed very conveniently

So the media and certain posters on ls1 can scream blue murder about Ford ball joints and brake line issues(as they rightly should) ,but nobody seems too say anything about cheap built to a price, second rate daewoo garbage (sold at premium prices) flying towards your family doing 110ks on our roads, with reports of STEERING FAILURE

Sounds typical to me ,so about time some one got stuck into holden isnt it?

sorry to rant just got of night shift

[kezzer]

Originally Posted by GT-Cobra

What is it with these Holden people, they think Holdens are Aussie, even when they know they have been manufactured in another country. Its the same as the ones who put Chev badges on Commondores because its got a Chev V8. :

I don't see what the big deal with chev badges is, its their car, they have to drive it, look at it daily. They sell the VE as chevs over seas anyway.

[Falc'man]

Originally Posted by j_h187

Don't tell anyone.. but I actually work as a holden tech. And to tell you the truth, we haven't had many troubles with the captivas at all. From my experience, they've been one of the better cars of the holden fleet, even if they are daewoos. Sure you get a few shocker cars here and there, but show me a line of car that hasn't.

Not trying to defend captivas or anything, but if you base your opinions on anything from what you see on current affair/today tonight...... :

Now, that doesn't say much for the rest of the fleet, does it.

[Interceptor]

I cant believe how many fo you guys have been suckered in by the brilliant investigative journalism of Today Tonight simply because theyre picking on a Holden, if the same article was about a Ford, everyone here would be hanging **** on the journos

fwiw, I've been working for Holden since the start of august, and the only warranty work we've had on Captivas is a couple of rear shock absorbers and a problem with one that saw a lot of dirt roads and was having problems with dust leaking in through the rear body vent

[cosmo20btt]

Originally Posted by GT-Cobra

A mate of mine bought a new Captiva about 2 years ago, he got one with the lot, it cost him plenty so I thought it best to shut my mouth even though the word Craptiva was constantly running through my head.
Anyway when he bought it he knew it was made in Korea, but went on to say that it had a Commodore V6 engine and transmission, so that made it an Aussie car.
What is it with these Holden people, they think Holdens are Aussie, even when they know they have been manufactured in another country. Its the same as the ones who put Chev badges on Commondores because its got a Chev V8. :

I Don't know where he gets that it' got a Commodore Engine & gear box as the 3.2 is not in a commodore nor is it FWD or AWD. I have added a pic of Craptiva you can see FWD gearbox in it.
http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/cro...-10_460x0w.jpg