Toyota recall. Another!

[graham7773]

Did anybody notice the News 24 program where it was reported that 900000 Toyotas have been recalled world wide? My question is "what for"? The reason was not explained during the report.

[KITBAG]

Over airbags

http://finance.ninemsn.com.au/newsbu...r-airbag-fault

[anto]

how can that be, toyotas are so reliable....or so people keep telling me

[ltd]

I heard the recall was because of boredom, and Toyota were to put little probes in the drivers seat.
It seems the Toyota's are so boring, that they're literally putting drivers to sleep.
Toyota plan fixing it by fitting little electric probes that give little electric shocks every 10 seconds to stop driver fatigue.

[2011G6E]

Yeah yeah...can we expect the same laughs the next time (and there will be a next time) Ford has a big recall?

As I've said before, we should be thankful we live in a country where manufacturers are forced to admit to mistakes and fix them through recalls...after all, it wasn't that long ago that "after-sales customer-conducted product quality testing" was more or less the way to go, and production problems were met with a shrug and a slammed door by the manufacturers...

[DanielXR8]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Yeah yeah...can we expect the same laughs the next time (and there will be a next time) Ford has a big recall?

As I've said before, we should be thankful we live in a country where manufacturers are forced to admit to mistakes and fix them through recalls...after all, it wasn't that long ago that "after-sales customer-conducted product quality testing" was more or less the way to go, and production problems were met with a shrug and a slammed door by the manufacturers...

I don't think Australian rules are tough enough on manufacturers on recalls, or lemon laws for that matter. If we had the US equivalent of the NHTSA we would have better cars from all three local manufacturers.

In Australia far to many problems are only addressed when owners ask about them or quietly done during service IF the owner uses a manufacturers dealer, other times they are simply ignored and quietly fixed on the next model, but existing owners are left with a compromised car.

[ryeman]

Daniel, do you have some specific examples?

[t_holt69]

I can think of some specific examples, in particular Toyota, older rav4s are having trannys and ecus done under warranty, even if the car is 10 years old, 40 series camrys had some dash rattles, fixed under warranty only if the customer complained, same with water pumps on the 2az angines. The fg has had the same, fading icc units and clusters in heat and glove box lids being changed come to mind.

[vanman_75]

Calling in a car and fixing a problem ..that's the Toyota way .to me recalls mean we found a problem sorry our fault but don't worry we got it covered .

[mik]

air bag going off while your driving along would certainly take the boring out .

[jamies]

If Toyota get a handfull of cars world wide with an issue they will recall all models of vehicle to cover themselves form legal action. I see alll the recalls and some of them are very minor. Even if the vehicle is 100% ok they will still fix it under warranty recall its called saftey.

[jamies]

Example is about 4 years ago there was the risk of the bonnet flying open on the Hilux's. Toyota recalled all Hilux's between vin ranges.. and repaired them all under warranty regardless if they needed it or not. Let me tell you there was a hell of a lot of Hilux's coming into be recalled.. we still occasionally do the odd one now years later.

[zabatron]

Oh what a feeling!.....Not!....google toyota sludge problems...then you will see just how reliable they really are.

[ryeman]

Originally Posted by zabatron

Oh what a feeling!.....Not!....google toyota sludge problems...then you will see just how reliable they really are.

Still reliable!
Committed to there customers!
Where's the real problem?...tall poppy syndrome ?

[jamies]

Originally Posted by zabatron

Oh what a feeling!.....Not!....google toyota sludge problems...then you will see just how reliable they really are.

I've been working with Toyota for the last 8 years and haven't seen this unless people skip servicing, in that case it is the owners fault. I'm interested in some examples ?

[Spudz27]

Originally Posted by jamies

I've been working with Toyota for the last 8 years and haven't seen this unless people skip servicing, in that case it is the owners fault. I'm interested in some examples ?

I was actually warned of this when I bought the camry, not by toyota mind you. I was advised to change the oil no later than 7,500km, instead of going 10-15 between services. No my mechanic was not trying to get more money off me as I also had the Fairmont and that is done every 10-15k. Plus he knows I often change oil myself.

[jamies]

[QUOTE=Spudz27;4613135]I was actually warned of this when I bought the camry, not by toyota mind you. I was advised to change the oil no later than 7,500km, instead of going 10-15 between services. No my mechanic was not trying to get more money off me as I also had the Fairmont and that is done every 10-15k. Plus he knows I often change oil myself.[/

I've worked for Toyota,Ford and Holden and each manufacturer has its issues. It's just some manufacturers deal with warranty and recall issues better then others imo.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by zabatron

Oh what a feeling!.....Not!....google toyota sludge problems...then you will see just how reliable they really are.

Yeah cool story, the bad stories always make the headlines whilst the good stories go unnoticed.

Happens with any manufacturer.

[GREGL]

I sometimes think to myself how lucky some people on here are , that they must go through life without any dramas with their chosen vehicle and any that do arise are so insignificant ( must believe the within factory specs drivel fed to em' ) , or on the other hand these same people have had when they have ventured away from the blue tinted glasses incredibly bad luck whereby they must have purchased one of the % of lemons produced by Toyota. (or never owned one and going on heresay in some cases)
We have only just purchased our first BRAND new car at 50 yrs old and woukl be estatic if we got through the warranty period without a hassle , however I wuold not be surprised at all if something arose.
Have known bucketloads of people who have bought new and used Toyotas and have never had a complaint. I had one and personally it was not to me a good experience but hey it didn't kill me nor has anyone else been that I have known with one . I've had the same annoying (always different) niggles that pee you off with all my cars over the years and they all cost you money and inconvenience. You come to expect it it and a Ford is no different.
As a footnote we didn't buy a toyota, holden or ford but a suzuki which has been around since 2007 in the current format so hopefully bugs sorted.

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by GREGL

but a suzuki which has been around since 2007 in the current format so hopefully bugs sorted.

My first new car was a 1992 Suzuki swift, not a GTi, owned it for 13 years amassing 430,000 km, with the only fault, covered under warranty being the drivers window winder mechanism, they replaced it without issue at a service. It was well maintained and managed a best of 1:25 at mallala so it got used. Didn't use a drop of oil or water in all that time.
Yet I hear some have difficulty with the diff cross pin shearing or driveshafts failing. I guess its as much how you treat it as how its designed and built.
Before you all start, yes I probably would have died had I been hit by a falcon but I didn't though some of them tried, and saved a shed load of cash to put towards my 400HP turbo escort and tow car.
I did get hit by a 20t truck, yep, it didn't stop at the stop sign and 't' boned the swift, we walked away and it was repaired, yes $11K repair on a 6 month old car.
I guess what Im saying, all cars are designed to a specification and a cost which are a compromise, they are designed by talented people, who would wipe the floor with most of us in the IQ stakes. When treated as per intended, not like a hire car, they last and perform as intended well, If it breaks we repair them anyone who purchases a machine believeing it will work faultlessly forever is either a fool or blind, anyone who complains about wear and tear after a reasonable time given the cars cost is a ****** and anyone who bags out a particular brand without the facts or personal experience must be accused of Bias.
From my research, yes an act of fact finding, Toyota tops many reliability, customer service and satisfaction surveys around the world, often beating many more expensive cars. They top these surveys in the first few years and continue well into the first decade of the cars life. This is not my mates sisters opinion, this is gathered information by relevant and bonifide agencies.
Doesnt mean I love toyota, or want one, Im happy with my AU Ute, Mk1 escort and yes AWD suzuki swift, But Owning a Ford and being a member on here has not blinded me to what I consider relevant facts, something so obvious with many posters in my short time here at Ford forums.
JP

[Spudz27]

The fact that toyota recall cars over things is good. They even recall over indicators not self cancelling.

Ford on the other hand should be recalling things and they don't. Milkshake tranny comes to mind. Regardless if the issue tends to happen out of warranty, it is a major flaw and and ford with that trans and cooler setup should have been recalled. You could almost guarantee that toyota would have.

[xisled]

I wish Ford would have done something like this. The rear brakes lines in my BA popped because they were too short from factory. Ford did not do a recall even this was a major safety risk. Happened on a heap of BA’s. I was lucky the lines went at 20ks not 100ks.

They called it a campaign not a recall, so they did not have to notify the owners of the problem. Not even a letter was sent out.

[Bossxr8]

It's sometimes a good thing when manufacturers do recalls, but the amount of recalls Toyota have been doing, basically on a monthly basis with new problems says to me the stories about corners being cut and quality dropping due to a lack of qualified engineers at Toyota are true.

[Brendo_GSUte]

Ild have to say toyota's are resting on thier laruels a bit. they are still really reliable but you pay big bucks for the hilux, but what mitsubishi are offering with the triton at almost 2/3 the price is a better ute in my eyes.

My work hilux (134,000km serviced every 10,000km) still goes but its clutch is slipping the rear wheel bearings are squealing the tray shudders, the dash vibrates at just under 2000 rpm, and it uses 11.8L of diesel per 100km. Where the tritons with similar kit are going better then my hilux and consistently use less diesel... i wouldnt buy a hilux given my experience.

[1TUFFUTE]

do some research...toyota fairs much worse then most think with customer issues and safety recalls globaly. ford is right up with the best...porshe. well that was last year and the previous ten years tho

[wrongwaynorris]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

do some research...toyota fairs much worse then most think with customer issues and safety recalls globaly. ford is right up with the best...porshe. well that was last year and the previous ten years tho

Shhhhhhh you'll upset the Toyotanistas

[jpblue1000]

when looking for a used Car in the Uk a few years ago I came acros the TUV reliability reports. German cars technical control organization reports on defect rate yearly. A car model have to be tested at least 500 times to be assorted in TÜV report and data is collected. the reports cover 2-3, 4-5, 6-7, 8-9 and 10-11 years after manufacture.
Its interesting reading where which manufacturer rates over short and long periods, and distances travelled. and being TUV and german its accurate and valid.
hers a link...to the 10-11 year report for 2013
http://www.anusedcar.com/index.php/t...2013-10-11/311

Porsche 911 at No1 and what follows it...

[Kryton]

At least they admit mistakes and fix them.
Cant say the same for some local manufacturers.

[vanman_75]

I must be Lucky , all my new cars even my second hand dealer cars have all been looked after ( warranty wise ) I don't care for problems as much , its the fixing bit that gets me - and all been great .I know its a long issue but its usually dealer issues more than most .my patrol got a new dash without me asking for it , rattles in Suzuki fixed , and many more ...Nissan for me have been awesome , Toyota dealers need prodding a bit but still fix any issues ..anyone who complains about cars with a 100 plus on the clock need to realize its age and potential issues ..

[GasoLane]

Out of curiosity (and 'cause I was bored) I did some checking.....

Since 2000 Ford has had 70 recalls in Aust and Toyota 75... not that big a difference eh ?