Sam Surace - Victoria. Teaches kids to do burnouts.

GTPChris · 06-02-2014, 04:44 PM

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law...-1226818980322

I have no problems with Sam Surace teaching his kids to do burnouts in a controlled environment, but when he starts to assert automotive sports are safer than that of the hunting fraternity, my blood begins to boil!

If you're going to sledge another group to bolster your weak claims Mr Sam Surace, at least be sure to get your facts straight!!!

Hunting is widely regarded as one of the safest recreational activities. In addition to this, public land hunters have an impeccable safety record.

https://googledrive.com/host/0B_xGYb.../NCIS-2012.pdf

pottery beige · 06-02-2014, 04:50 PM

Legend, should be more of it!

**DJM83** · 06-02-2014, 06:44 PM

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Legend, should be more of it!

Hahaha im sure you could open a class. 1st class is the VN, and when you graduate you get into the GT

Good on the bloke i hope the media cops a belting when people start supporting this bloke.

mcnews · 06-02-2014, 04:52 PM

I have to put up with more dickwad hunters than hoons where I am :-)

351EL · 06-02-2014, 05:12 PM

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I have to put up with more dickwad hunters than hoons where I am :-)

Me too but the ones up here think they are doing a community service.

GTPChris · 06-02-2014, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mcnews

I have to put up with more dickwad hunters than hoons where I am :-)

I have to put up with more dickwad hoons than hunters where I am.

What's your point?

pottery beige · 06-02-2014, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GTPChris

I have to put up with more dickwad hoons than hunters where I am.

What's your point?

he mentioned fishing as well

A REV-HEAD father who allows* his seven and 12-year-old sons to hoon in a car says it is less dangerous than taking his kids fishing or hunting.

Auslandau · 06-02-2014, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pottery beige

he mentioned fishing as well

A REV-HEAD father who allows* his seven and 12-year-old sons to hoon in a car says it is less dangerous than taking his kids fishing or hunting.

In reality .... they probably are more dangerous statistically. But then so is standing outside in a thunderstorm ....... but that isn't socially unacceptable just yet

GTPChris · 06-02-2014, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by pottery beige

he mentioned fishing as well

A REV-HEAD father who allows* his seven and 12-year-old sons to hoon in a car says it is less dangerous than taking his kids fishing or hunting.

When they ban fishing or hunting, what is the next supposed comparison you'd find acceptable?

When they ban every car that is remotely fun to drive, what will you do then?

Suggest you read some of the work of Martin Niemöller if you still don't get it. Here's a snippet in case you haven't worked out how to use Google yet.

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First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

pottery beige · 07-02-2014, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by GTPChris

When they ban fishing or hunting, what is the next supposed comparison you'd find acceptable?

When they ban every car that is remotely fun to drive, what will you do then?

Suggest you read some of the work of Martin Niemöller if you still don't get it. Here's a snippet in case you haven't worked out how to use Google yet.

they can ban whatever they want. I dont stop doing things because of some silly little rules telling me somethings bad for me

btw i hate fishing

superyob · 07-02-2014, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GTPChris

When they ban fishing or hunting, what is the next supposed comparison you'd find acceptable?

When they ban every car that is remotely fun to drive, what will you do then?

Suggest you read some of the work of Martin Niemöller if you still don't get it. Here's a snippet in case you haven't worked out how to use Google yet.

Moronic...

AndyXR6T · 06-02-2014, 05:07 PM

Yeh not sure I agree with everything he said but I don't see the harm in it as long as it's in a controlled environment and the kids understand that's the ONLY place they should be doing it.
In saying that the second video where the bloke is trying to lift the front of the car when the young chap is mid burnout is just stupid!

Bossxr8 · 06-02-2014, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GTPChris

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law...-1226818980322

I have no problems with Sam Surace teaching his kids to do burnouts in a controlled environment, but when he starts to assert automotive sports are safer than that of the hunting fraternity, my blood begins to boil!

If you're going to sledge another group to bolster your weak claims Mr Sam Surace, at least be sure to get your facts straight!!!

Hunting is widely regarded as one of the safest recreational activities. In addition to this, public land hunters have an impeccable safety record.

https://googledrive.com/host/0B_xGYb.../NCIS-2012.pdf

So you are saying more people have died from burnouts than gunshot wounds?

GTPChris · 06-02-2014, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

So you are saying more people have died from burnouts than gunshot wounds?

NO! But I have supplied data to support my point. Lets compare notes when you have data on the safe recreational activity of doing burnouts.

The point being, don't sledge one recreational activity to justify the safety of another. Unless you're a sandal wearing, tree hugging, weed smoking hippy, the media will exploit the individuals involved and make us all look like a fool.

I look forward to the day when the common dog Aussie understands that.

Blue Roo · 06-02-2014, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GTPChris

NO! But I have supplied data to support my point. Lets compare notes when you have data on the safe recreational activity of doing burnouts.

The point being, don't sledge one recreational activity to justify the safety of another. Unless you're a sandal wearing, tree hugging, weed smoking hippy, the media will exploit the individuals involved and make us all look like a fool.

I look forward to the day when the common dog Aussie understands that.

Well hallelujah and pass the ammunition! I've just been converted!

zipping · 06-02-2014, 11:36 PM

Its good the guy is standing up for his decision to teach his kids burn outs etc. FWIW my ol man chucked me the keys to his 308 hq ute when I was 13 and told me to work it out while he went and fed the cattle. Driving is still one of my favourite pass times.

Just laugh at the so called laws and safety police being outraged. Private property is private property and it amazes me how apathetic we are as we continue to allow the State to write more and more laws dictating what we can and cant do on our properties.

93EB_SXR6 · 07-02-2014, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by zipping

Its good the guy is standing up for his decision to teach his kids burn outs etc. FWIW my ol man chucked me the keys to his 308 hq ute when I was 13 and told me to work it out while he went and fed the cattle. Driving is still one of my favourite pass times.

Just laugh at the so called laws and safety police being outraged. Private property is private property and it amazes me how apathetic we are as we continue to allow the State to write more and more laws dictating what we can and cant do on our properties.

I agree with you for the most part, especially about 'private property' being private property. The main issue is really the pollution aspect of burn outs. As far as safety, I don't really care.

Cuyper · 07-02-2014, 02:37 AM

Gees's most Hunters I meet are freakin ferals and dangerous to look at let alone be near when they have loaded guns

The big difference between those past times is that one kills things that didn't want to be killed and the other makes pollution which probably kills things too, just so slowly you wont notice. I've never been a fan of guns unless they are used for self defence or generally killing people then that's fine. But I'm not a fan of un justified hunting for the sport of it.

Itsme · 07-02-2014, 01:26 PM

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Gees's most Hunters I meet are freakin ferals and dangerous to look at let alone be near when they have loaded guns

In all honesty you probably met a lot of hunters in your life & not realised it

Back on topic what a person does with bringing up their children is their business as long it is with common sense.

Cheers.

Nikked · 06-02-2014, 05:40 PM

I think this is back-firing on the media a bit...there is a lot of support for the bloke...

Adamz Ghia · 06-02-2014, 05:44 PM

Drove my first car when I was 7 and I survived. Some people need to get a life and the police should focus on some more important things like actually catching criminals...

Boza · 06-02-2014, 05:48 PM

More bottom feeder/ gutter trash journalism if you ask me.

When I was a kid I learned to drive on my dads lap from about 3 years old and I believe it made me a better driver cause i was always told what I was doing wrong and right.

I have noticed when the news is a bit slow that day they pick on the automotive fraternity.

buickman · 06-02-2014, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Boza

More bottom feeder/ gutter trash journalism if you ask me.

When I was a kid I learned to drive on my dads lap from about 3 years old and I believe it made me a better driver cause i was always told what I was doing wrong and right.

I have noticed when the news is a bit slow that day they pick on the automotive fraternity.

Agreed there I was only a little bloke and used to sit on my dad’s lap driving up and down the driveway. I also used to drive an old paddock bomb at 12 on my grandfather’s property where I learned to drive a manual with no synchromesh in 1st gear and I think it made me a better car driver. There are more serious issues than picking on a father getting his sons interested in cars that might appear not the normal thing to do by judgmental people that have a different view on this.

Bossxr8 · 06-02-2014, 05:57 PM

Won't someone please think of the children.

Love they way they trot out the child safety experts who gasp in horror at the stupidity of the parents, for letting them do an activity that will basically never ever result in an injury. Skateboarding would be more dangerous for god's sake.

deesun · 06-02-2014, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Won't someone please think of the children.

Love they way they trot out the child safety experts who gasp in horror at the stupidity of the parents, for letting them do an activity that will basically never ever result in an injury. Skateboarding would be more dangerous for god's sake.

And in some instances they havent even viewed the footage to have an informed opinion.

**Silver Ghia** · 06-02-2014, 06:39 PM

My parents should have been locked up for letting me climb trees when I was a child. I could have seriously injured myself.

Police, politicians and the media are becoming more and more ridiculous and short sighted with their 'losing traction is unsafe' banner. Unfortunately the real danger is when drivers lose traction when they swerve to avoid something and don't know how to correct the situation, with tragic consequences.

brismike · 06-02-2014, 07:41 PM

I saw the report on the news .. The bit that surprised me was the Police claiming that they could impound the car because of what he is allowing his children to do, even though it is on private land in a controlled environment!

Is that actually true .. Or are the cops just blowing smoke?

xisled · 07-02-2014, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by brismike

I saw the report on the news .. The bit that surprised me was the Police claiming that they could impound the car because of what he is allowing his children to do, even though it is on private land in a controlled environment!

Is that actually true .. Or are the cops just blowing smoke?

Have a look at this thread. Nothing really confirmed but similar debate about private property.

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...ivate+property

simon varley · 07-02-2014, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by brismike

I saw the report on the news .. The bit that surprised me was the Police claiming that they could impound the car because of what he is allowing his children to do, even though it is on private land in a controlled environment!

Is that actually true .. Or are the cops just blowing smoke?

sadly, yes. In Vic at least. I believe that it is okay to do stuff like that during an organised event, but otherwise it falls under the hoon laws even if it is on private property.

XRtowcar · 07-02-2014, 10:28 AM

Thought it was ok teaching the youngens to do burnouts, but with the footage of him doing a burnout into his garage in a confined space with someone with a camera standing two metres in front of the car left me a bit undecided.
The guy clearly isn't interested in the safety of others.
If you want to teach them, do it properly in an open space away from danger.
Think he is more interested in massaging his ego.