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17-07-2012, 05:55 PM | #61 | |||
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17-07-2012, 06:08 PM | #62 | ||
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If i had the money i would get a territory too, but its out of my range.
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17-07-2012, 06:46 PM | #63 | ||
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This is such a shock, a car no one knows anything about and it doesn't sell. Einstein alert.
They set this thing to fail from the start. They spent millions on it and then not a cent on telling the public it exists. But I guess this was put in motion by the previous management who weren't given the task by Detroit to shut down the Falcon and get a global platform in its place. Bob Graziano is going to get a huge promotion soon as he's done exactly what Detroit wanted him too. The plan to switch to 6 or 7 global platforms down from 22 can't happen if it means cutting successful models does it, better to make it unsuccessful first and then use that as an excuse. I'm hoping that at least a switch to Mondeo and exports throughout Asia keep a lot of people in a job, cause a total shutdown will be devastating for Geelong. |
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17-07-2012, 07:02 PM | #64 | ||
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Strange.
Toyota are advertising new Aurion every 10 mins on 9 Qld,' Ford did nothing for Ecoboost Falcon. When you match it up against other biggish cars it stands up well. But the public wont know about it unless it is advertised. |
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17-07-2012, 07:07 PM | #65 | |||
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17-07-2012, 07:07 PM | #66 | ||
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wow this threads rocks. same commentary from the same people.
"ecoboost sucks" "diesel would have killed it" 1 vote for closure |
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17-07-2012, 07:09 PM | #67 | ||
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Anyone thinking that Ford is really struggling to get supplies of Ecoboost 2.0 engines out of Valencia?
Perhaps there's no point in advertising if you can't get supplies of the engine....just sayin' |
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17-07-2012, 07:18 PM | #68 | |||
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17-07-2012, 07:30 PM | #69 | ||
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As had been said before- The Average joe is not even aware there is a turbo4 Falcon.
Ask a person walking by on the street about the Falcon,then ask them about a Hybrid Camry. People do not desire or purchase things they are not aware of or have a certain perception of. |
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17-07-2012, 07:31 PM | #70 | |||
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Look at the backlash over the funding from the govt and the job losses, imagine the task of shutting down OZ mfg if the cars were selling. I do think a total closure is the end game. |
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17-07-2012, 07:33 PM | #71 | ||
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Ford Australia are not advertising the falcons because its probably costing them alot of money to make and nobody is buying them because there is no advertising.
Why is this happening? Well i guess Global Ford is coming down on Australian made cars so they can push their new global platform crap. Nothing interesting or new about ANOTHER FWD Turbo with **** fuel economy and no space inside.
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17-07-2012, 07:43 PM | #72 | |||
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Boss you've said pretty much this before on the forums, and I completely agree with you. Its blatantly obvious that Graziano's brief was to wrap the Falcon up, and he's doing a damn fine job! Coyote, EcoLpi, and Ecoboost were all decisions made on previous managements watch, and no doubt were the reason for the change of CEO so soon - head office installed someone more sympathetic to their own goals. He's being helped by the fact that no one really wants a 3 box sedan anymore - even if the Falcon had a hybrid diesel V8 with 500kw and got 2.8lt/100km I doubt it would cause much of an increase in sales. The diesel vs ecoboost argument is absolutely irrelevant. No chance in hell Falcon will continue beyond 2016. No chance in hell we'll get a RWD replacement. Best we can hope for is local manufacture of whatever FOA can make a solid business case for. |
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17-07-2012, 07:49 PM | #73 | |||
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17-07-2012, 07:55 PM | #74 | ||
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New Oak Ford has been advertising Falcon for a while all over 91.5 SmoothFM here in Melbourne.
But thats not Ford Australia doing it, dealership. |
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17-07-2012, 08:01 PM | #75 | |||
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17-07-2012, 08:24 PM | #76 | |||
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Ford are really only interested in people who buy NEW cars and there are enormous amounts of information available to anyone who actually wants to look for it. Toyota is the largest seller. Right now without looking it up what is the engine capacity, max power, max torque and final drive of a Camry and which models are available in manual? Or are you a below average Joe........ |
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I'm just curious as to how Aurion, 3.0 Omega and 4.0 Falcon can all be significantly better.... Seems to be a lot of people ready to throw hatchets...I'm off.. |
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17-07-2012, 10:04 PM | #83 | ||
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This is a multi Relevent post. Relevant to this thread and the Ford Job losses thread.
So all these people lose their jobs because Ford decided to concentrate their efforts and money on a boring, irrelevant vehicle the masses no longer would be seen dead in... No one wants a Falcon, the majority of Aussies wants class, something european and sporty and special looking, something with FLAIR in the design, something with features.. eg. Mazda 3/6 VW Golf/Passat/Jetta BMW 1/3 series and FORD FOCUS The SADDEST thing about all this is that the current Focus is one of the most fantastic, appealing looking cars on the road, it is feature PACKED, priced well and is popular. I hear that Ford can't keep up demand, while that Falcon is so hated and ignored that OUR workers are laid off so that they can build LESS to make sure the paddocks around Broady aren't littered with thousands of unwanted units. They canned the popular, spunky looking, potentially Cruze KILLING, and importantly - RELEVANT, Focus local production for this... Screw the Falcon, its dead. I feel for our countrymen and friends who have been put into this position where their jobs, livelihood and family security is in jeopardy. My heart goes out to these people, I can't imagine how gutting an email like that would be for these people. Can you imagine an Aussie built Focus with a baseline similar to that of the Cruze? I truly beleive it would murder Cruze sales with the correct marketing. Anyone who disagrees has to be incorrect. Whoever decided to can the Focus production here in lieu of desperately kicking the can along the ground with the Falcon should now be offering their damned blood to the workers and their families that this decision has directly affected. Shame. Bloody shame. Last edited by Danny; 17-07-2012 at 10:09 PM. |
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Unbelivable. I think these people are searching for reasons to exclude.... |
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Come on, put your hand up if you are fair dinkum about buying one of these.
I sure would not!!! |
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17-07-2012, 11:04 PM | #87 | ||
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I would not buy one but for the average punter its got enough grunt and very good economy.
Not sure about towing though.
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17-07-2012, 11:38 PM | #88 | |||
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1) An emission rating which is fine, Ecoboost seems to score 6.5 which is better than 4.0 Falcon at 5.5 2) Pollution score it is given 6.5 because it is only certified to Euro 4, like the 4.0 Applicable Chart attached HERE This is amazing because if it had been given a Beyond Euro 6 emission rating, which Ecoboost is capable of because of US EPA Tier 2 Bin 5 variants, it would have received an 8.5 out of 10. This is a case of the local emission lab not being able to certify vehicles beyond the current emissions level. Until Ford can supply data that the vehicle emissions are beyond Euro 6, they stay locked at that lower level. If I were Ford, I'd be getting the Emission status of All falcons upgraded to USA specs which is Beyond Euro 6 ASAP. Let their techs do the work in the USA and provide the data to Australia. Last edited by jpd80; 17-07-2012 at 11:43 PM. |
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18-07-2012, 12:34 AM | #90 | ||
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this thread is full of win.... and winners!!
i think its about time AFF got handed back to all those who actually enjoy the products and all you other haters and so called passionate fans can go do your whinging elsewhere. i can see no logical reason why many of you bother to join up to a ford forum. |
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