Roundabout Incident - Who is at Fault?

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

We all can identify a lot of things that can happen but reaction can be a bit slower at times, you were not there so your comment is not valid.

what? it wasn't you driving the ute was it?

[marty351]

Originally Posted by Cav

The driver of the red car was a female.

Case closed.

#metoo

[roKWiz]

This is what Clarke would do.

https://youtu.be/iAgX6qlJEMc

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

It not Hindsight its foresight @0.20 from the divers seat in that ute (a good driver) should be able to identify what was about to happen.

What an absolute load of rubbish, there is nothing in that video which gives any indication, including an indicator, that the red car is about to break the road rules, for all you know they may have hesitated for any number of reasons from seeing something they thought they may have needed to give way to, to something which happened in the car that drew their attention.
The only reason you say you can tell is because you've seen the next 20 seconds of time and as was said, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Christ, at the moment of contact both vehicles are travelling at the same speed, so im not even sure what else the ute driver could have done other than stop when he had complete right of way, this is just another example of people wanting to apportion blame rather than call it for what it is.

I assume if I download 40 seconds of footage from my dashcam the next time I capture an incident and post it in two 20 second blocks you'll be able to tell us what happens in the second 20 seconds after only seeing the first 20 seconds yeah?

[hayseed]

How hard is It ???? FFS

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by marty351

Cam car clearly at fault. Regardless of road markings or signage, cam car changes lanes without due care. Had he obeyed the left lane and stayed within it, no accident would have occurred.

Road markings and signage make up 99% of the road rules, how can you say they don't apply?

Originally Posted by marty351

(you're not allowed to change lanes in an intersection)

I'm pretty sure you can change lanes in an intersection as long as you obey all regular rules for changing lanes.

Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

He didn’t give way to those already in the lane before he merged, I can’t see how the cam car isn’t at fault?

Cam car didn't merge, he was obeying the signs before the roundabout. Red car wasn't.

Originally Posted by marty351

25 years of driving, 1 at fault accident (minor), owning a v8 for 6 years and never lost a demerit point.
Yeah, nah, I'll keep my license and stick to the lane I'm driving in.

That reminds me of the joke
"Been driving for X years and never been in an accident. Seen hundred in my rear view mirror though"

Originally Posted by JC

I initially voted cam car, but after watching the video, I’d say 50/50. It actually doesn’t matter what the signs or road markings say, every driver has an onus to avoid a collision and neither driver did that in this case.

You should avoid crashes if you can, that's why in these badly designed road situations I always assume everyone else is brain dead and will screw it up.
But to cause a crash only 1 car has to break the road rules. So they are at fault. In this video it's the red car.

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Yep IMO he could have easily let the red car go first and wouldn't have been held up at all..

How? Was he supposed to be a mind reader and know the red car wanted to break the road rules? Red car never indicated left from what we see. If they did we could assume they're stupid and wanted to break the rules, but if they don't indicate their rule breaking intentions how would anyone else know?

It's pretty easy to pass judgment when watching a video when we know there is about to be a crash. Especially when we watch the video multiple times. Not the same as driving down the road.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by hayseed

How hard is It ???? FFS

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I know, unreal isn't it, and people are still arguing about it FFS!!!!

As I have said a couple of times, for the people who don't get it or still argue, then imagine the intersection without the big round thing in the middle and see if that makes sense.

Imagine a normal cross road with no roundabout, then the same ****ing rules apply, the person in the right ****ing lane cannot turn left - jesus christ, it isn't that hard

[devilcv8]

No wonder there are so many crashes on our roads when so many people can’t grasp something slightly different from a normal roundabout.
Red car at fault. Left lane can go to first exit or second exit, right lane can go second exit or third exit. Right lane can not go first exit therefore 100% at fault.

[Lunch]

I genuinely used to think of this forum as destination 1 for answers to auto related questions I had, for knowledge and wisdom but at the time of this particular post, it’s evident that 38% of the people here have absolutely no idea, I’d be better off asking my cat for advice than more than 1/3 of you..

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by Lunch

I’d be better off asking my cat for advice than more than 1/3 of you..

(Of course, the dog would always recommend a cat delete!)

[94_ef]

Red care at fault.

What scares me most is that even given video evidence clearly showing the road markings people will still argue against them. This is probably how innocent people end up in jail in trial by jury.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by 94_ef

Red care at fault.

What scares me most is that even given video evidence clearly showing the road markings people will still argue against them.

People don't like to admit they're ever wrong, just a variation of right is sufficient, they'll will look for any small thing which can support an alternative view with complete disregard for the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Lunch

I genuinely used to think of this forum as destination 1 for answers to auto related questions I had, for knowledge and wisdom but at the time of this particular post, it’s evident that 38% of the people here have absolutely no idea, I’d be better off asking my cat for advice than more than 1/3 of you..

Hey, at least its only 38% now, at one stage there it was looking like a 50/50 which is worrying considering as you highlight this is a motoring forum.

[Trevor 57]

I am absolutely amazed that people would think anything other than red car is at fault - although it does explain the poor driving I see every day

[X-AHH]

Originally Posted by Lunch

I genuinely used to think of this forum as destination 1 for answers to auto related questions I had, for knowledge and wisdom but at the time of this particular post, it’s evident that 38% of the people here have absolutely no idea, I’d be better off asking my cat for advice than more than 1/3 of you..

+1

Three people voted for the Cam car at fault since this time yesterday?

Even with all of the solid evidence put forward, people still get it wrong because they are either unable to process new information, understand the road rules, think logically or are deliberately winding everyone else up.

By far the most disturbing example of peoples inability to grasp this situation as it is clearly presented in the road markings and signage is the statement made by several members that "it's a single lane roundabout"! If you were one of these it's time to buy yourself a guide dog and let it drive your car. This way, there's probably a much less chance of you having an accident. Alternatively, go to Specsavers next time.

I also think that because the voting bar graph for the red car is purple and the Cam car is red, this is really confusing some people therefor the whole process is flawed. Was this a deliberate thing? Who set up this voting and deliberately allocated the wrong colours to the bar graphs anyway?

End of rant

[xeeclipse]

The N.S.W road toll should be the equivelant of the local abattoir going by this thread.

How can a vehicle in the LEFT lane be given RIGHT of way entering a roundabout I will never know?

[aussiblue]

How can a vehicle in the LEFT lane be given RIGHT of way entering a roundabout I will never know?

Its's exiting a roundabout in compliance with road markings and the law relating to roundabouts in this situation is identical in all Australian states and territories.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Ben73

You should avoid crashes if you can, that's why in these badly designed road situations I always assume everyone else is brain dead and will screw it up.
But to cause a crash only 1 car has to break the road rules. So they are at fault. In this video it's the red car.

Agreed, that's what I'm saying avoid crashes if you can.

Originally Posted by Ben73

How? Was he supposed to be a mind reader and know the red car wanted to break the road rules? Red car never indicated left from what we see. If they did we could assume they're stupid and wanted to break the rules, but if they don't indicate their rule breaking intentions how would anyone else know?

No mind reading just need to look at the angle the red car is taking the round about. there's plenty of road the left to swerve too

Look if you guys cant see that no need to get defensive most drivers wouldn't.

PS doesn't change that the Red car is at fault

[xeeclipse]

I refuse to look at these half baked legislative drawings, we don't have any such roundabouts in Melbourne's metro area.

Markings changing mid roundabout???? Humans aren't cats FFS.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

What an absolute load of rubbish, there is nothing in that video which gives any indication, including an indicator, that the red car is about to break the road rules, for all you know they may have hesitated for any number of reasons from seeing something they thought they may have needed to give way to, to something which happened in the car that drew their attention.
The only reason you say you can tell is because you've seen the next 20 seconds of time and as was said, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Christ, at the moment of contact both vehicles are travelling at the same speed, so im not even sure what else the ute driver could have done other than stop when he had complete right of way, this is just another example of people wanting to apportion blame rather than call it for what it is.

I assume if I download 40 seconds of footage from my dashcam the next time I capture an incident and post it in two 20 second blocks you'll be able to tell us what happens in the second 20 seconds after only seeing the first 20 seconds yeah?

chill

[Trevor 57]

I want to know who thinks following the red arrow is correct - come on 'fess up

[X-AHH]

[QUOTE=Big Trev;6309291]I want to know who thinks following the red arrow is correct - come on 'fess up


I can only hear the faint sound of crickets in the background??

[94_ef]

Originally Posted by Big Trev

I want to know who thinks following the red arrow is correct - come on 'fess up

Can I raise it 40% of the way?