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18-06-2012, 04:12 PM | #61 | ||
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So which genius thought it would be a good idea to advertise well after its launched?
Wouldnt logic say that you do it a week or two before? Give each dealer one so they can give test drives then start taking orders? I mean they did build it with research showing it was viable at some point
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18-06-2012, 04:15 PM | #62 | |||
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i hope they train sales staff on how to promote them to . when i go into a dealership , i expect then to tell me why i would buy one , i dont want to speak to someone like myself , i'm not selling cars for a living . when i viseted a ford dealership to see one recently , the salesman was a standout , he had the time to discuss the economy , and way it drove . when i asked why i would buy one , and if anyone are buying them yet , his answer was , we dont know if they are going to sell , and we havent sold one yet . of course he couldve said . HERES THE KEYS , take it for spin , i'll do up a price , and see you you when you get back for your free bottle of whine . but i'm not expecting dealerships to actually want to sell cars , so i'll over look that , when i suggested , i wont buy one if they are the same price as a 6cly , he shrugged hes shoulders and agreed , than suggested when my lease is up on the xr6 , come and see him and trade up on a newer xr6 , your trade should cover the residual . cool i said , i'll catch ya later . ( NOT ) . |
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18-06-2012, 04:40 PM | #63 | ||
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well it sounds like he had the honesty you would want in a salesguy, just not the enthusiasm
1 out of 2 ? |
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18-06-2012, 05:03 PM | #64 | |||
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Private buyers have never purchased that many Falcons, and typically novated buyers are staying clear of them now too, and have been for some time, the changes to FBT haven't killed the Falcon, people are still buying cars.... The only ones buying Falcon's now is Hertz (rentals) and some government agencies, like state police. Theres a few companies like Boral who still buy them too but its not like they run 1,000's of them. Lease plan etc buy alot less then they use to because all the fleet operators wanted a 4 cylinder only policy. Now Ford has a 4 cylinder available but fleets have moved to other brands, like Toyota. The only way Ford will get these kinds of buyers back is to build a 4 cylinder Falcon at around 26 kay for them including onroads / stat costs (what they buy a 4 cylinder Camry for). Perhaps Ford need to go this way instead of selling XR6's for 32 kay, bump the price of them back up and guts the XT pricing and really push XT EB4 (perhaps even delete XT 6 cylinder)> (something that they have not done since BA Mark 1 days). Ford dream't up the theory of converting all their fleet customers to XR6's to try and better the brand image of their cars, which pretty much shot them in the foot, especially with resale value etc. Toyota don't sell heaps of Camry's but 95% of them go to large fleet customers, that must tell Ford something.
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18-06-2012, 05:44 PM | #66 | ||
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They took the cheap option and thought it would sell itself. All aboard the fail boat.[/QUOTE]
double fail , it isnt a cheap option if it isnt any cheaper . |
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18-06-2012, 05:51 PM | #67 | ||
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I'm tending to agree with you bossxr8.
Management are very contradictory on the whole justification of ecoboost. It was a means to attract fleets back to the Falcon, but in the same breath, Graziano states they are turning their backs on the low profit fleet business. One can only hope that there's a bigger story and justification behind the first large RWD EcoBoost Ford in the world! |
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18-06-2012, 06:23 PM | #68 | |||
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Nothings working for them at the moment at all. Is it time for a total change of tack? |
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18-06-2012, 06:30 PM | #69 | |||
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18-06-2012, 07:09 PM | #70 | |||
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I think Graziano is trying to save face because fleets deserted Falcon long before the alleged pull out was contemplated.. Frankly, if they advertised the new Taurus here tomorrow, they would get more interest .. Last edited by jpd80; 18-06-2012 at 07:25 PM. |
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18-06-2012, 07:40 PM | #71 | |||
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If the sales figures are anything to go by, a lot of buyers these days seem to buy emotionally under the guise of their fuzzy logic, thats for sure. In summary, the EB4 Falcon is a magnificent car, the only problem it has is that its not a small hatch or an SUV thats under $25k. /2c. |
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18-06-2012, 08:11 PM | #72 | |||
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18-06-2012, 08:25 PM | #73 | |||
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At the end of the day its just a 4 cylinder sedan among many. |
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18-06-2012, 08:32 PM | #74 | |||
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Nothing for LPi or EB4. You go through all that effort to engineer the things and dont have anything lined up the day its released? You should be building things up before....its very very stupid. No car these days will sell its self, and the ones that do are game changers (Gt86 comes to mind but thats limited supply anyway). Internet adds dont count either, but I will admit prior to release they are good. Ford seriously needs an encapsulating at about the company, where it is heading and what it has to offer because the public would have NFI about all the work that goes on here.
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18-06-2012, 09:24 PM | #75 | |||
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We also have one person on here working in a Ford dealer saying he has sold all his allocted EB4 limited ed ones, but still has I6 ones to be sold!! Read into that what you will!!! |
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18-06-2012, 09:40 PM | #76 | |||
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Perhaps the new LPI IS SUPERIOR ALSO is that outselling the I6. Anyone been to a plastic surgeon and paid more for smaller tits than bigger tits ? |
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19-06-2012, 02:05 PM | #79 | ||
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So where are the full page ads publishing this result!
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19-06-2012, 02:39 PM | #80 | |||
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Or do you want them to spend $squillions saying "Some journalists reckon our car is good so you should buy it"? |
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19-06-2012, 04:35 PM | #81 | |||
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19-06-2012, 05:21 PM | #82 | |||
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SUV, Hatch and dual cab 4x4 are the new popular choices, and Ford has an issue with supply on the last two. |
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19-06-2012, 05:40 PM | #83 | |||
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Run an ad with all the good things said about it.
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19-06-2012, 06:30 PM | #85 | ||
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The FG Falcons are such world class cars. It's such a shame that:
A: The AU destroyed the Falcon's rep. B: It's a so called "taxi" and because of that no one wants it. C: Associated with hooliganism. Which is ********. With a severely limited budget compared to the global market, we produce the best bang for buck. If the Germans could only spend what we spend, I doubt they'd produce something better. |
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19-06-2012, 08:28 PM | #86 | |||
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With regards to LPI.. It has taken 12 months to get to that stage (thanks to Ford no advertising policy). Most on here were calling LPI "fail" about 6 months ago... |
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19-06-2012, 08:51 PM | #87 | ||
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Was the engine in vid turning the right way ??
Seemed to turning anti-clock ???
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20-06-2012, 09:40 AM | #88 | ||
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Why this comparison didn't include the new 3 series BMW is anyone's guess ??. I'm thinking the new 2.0 litre direct injected turbo BMW 328 with its 180 KW and 350 nm's from 1,250-5,000 revs with its 0-100 of 6.1 seconds and its remarable fuel efficiency of 6.3 L/100 km's, near perfect 50-50 weight distrubution, adaptive suspension, 8 speed ZF and so on... and with a dry weight of only 1,455 kg's would have cleaned the clock of everything else there quite easily.
All sorts of trick gear on the options list too including high end 16 speaker Harmon Kardon audio, adaptive cruise control, blind spot, lane departure e.t.c. basically almost anything you could possibly want to option in. Very interesting and impressive vehicle this new 328...There appears to be good reasons there's a wait list of several months. Last edited by Rodge; 20-06-2012 at 09:52 AM. |
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20-06-2012, 09:51 AM | #89 | ||
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The 3 Series isn't in the family size sedan segment. Otherwise it would have been an A4, C Class, 3 Series and Mondeo comparison.
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20-06-2012, 09:57 AM | #90 | ||
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With each model change its grown. From the spec sheet I think I recall its 1866 mm wide, almost the same width as the Mondeo which interestingly is slightly wider than the Falcon !!
I think what's previously been regarded as a small and / or medium car is getting very confusing for customers. |
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