VFacts for December 2012 - Page 3

**russellw** · 06-01-2013, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bigwil

Any FPV figures yet?

We don't usually get them until mid January and given the changes this year I am still trying to track down who is actually compiling them!

Cheers
Russ

**russellw** · 06-01-2013, 05:09 PM

I've added the annual summary and comments to the Tech portal now

Cheers
Russ

jpd80 · 06-01-2013, 09:41 PM

Thanks Russell,

Falcon and Focus have now effectively switched places in terms of sales.

Back in 2011 - Falcon scores 18,741 sales while Focus had 12,863 sales

While in 2012 - Falcon scores 14,036 sales while Focus had 18,586 sales

MrZ · 06-01-2013, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

That is exactly Ford's and Holden's problem, they still think it is 1994.

Speaking of 1994, a cheap flight between Melbourne and Sydney was $700, and a nice house was $100,000. Comparing prices to 1994 is moronic, it is 2013 where a Mazda 3 is 20 grand and a 7 seater diesel 4wd can be yours for 40 grand. A Falcon or Commodore should be smack bang in the middle of those prices.

100 grand for a nice house in '94? I remember when my parents sold their place in Hawthorn in 1990, it went for about 400 grand. Maybe the recession of the early 90s had an impact on house prices, for example, a large house in Toorak in 1993 cost only 600 grand, whereas today you'd be looking at about $3M.

Also, were airfares really that much? That's $700 round-trip I'm assuming? Blame Qantas I guess for using their stupid fuel guzzling 747s on domestic flights.. idiotic.

Nic85 · 07-01-2013, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by naddis01

What, like a Mazda 3?

I said little.

Like a Polo.

Peter Macaulay · 07-01-2013, 01:57 PM

Thanks Russell for the great run down on the year's sales. Is it possible, however for you to record the sales figures as you have done in the past showing all models? I like you really take an interest in studying the car market and it would be nice to know how some of the smaller players are going.

**russellw** · 07-01-2013, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter Macaulay

Thanks Russell for the great run down on the year's sales. Is it possible, however for you to record the sales figures as you have done in the past showing all models? I like you really take an interest in studying the car market and it would be nice to know how some of the smaller players are going.

I'm working on that one (the segment summary) currently - it takes about a day and a half to compile it and I ran out of time yesterday.

Should be up either this evening or tomorrow evening.

Cheers
Russ

**russellw** · 08-01-2013, 08:11 PM

I've uploaded the segment statistics for 2012 now into the tech portal.

Cheers
Russ

**russellw** · 11-01-2013, 07:16 PM

The truck sales data has also been uploaded now.

Cheers
Russ

**russellw** · 12-01-2013, 02:51 PM

.. and finally the Supplementary Stats for December are now applauded too.

Cheers
russ

bigwil · 12-01-2013, 08:40 PM

Great work Russell, but would you know the total figure of ecoboost falcons sold for 2012?

**SSD-85** · 12-01-2013, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Wretched

YAWWWWN
Get over yourself.

Are the 1915 people that bought a Focus in December sheep?
The i30 owners? The Navara, etc? They're all sheep too?

So if Falcon sold 5000 cars next month are those owners sheep, I mean why wouldn't they be?

Incidentally, this is a FORD forum mate. An australian one at that.

I think its safe to assume that his post was taking the mickey out of what seems to be current trends in Australian motoring.

Take a chill pill for petes sake.

Wretched · 12-01-2013, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Eagleheart

Incidentally, this is a FORD forum mate. An australian one at that.

I think its safe to assume that his post was taking the mickey out of what seems to be current trends in Australian motoring.

Take a chill pill for petes sake.

Thank you captain obvious for pointing out the forum title

Actually if you have seen that user's posts in other threads relating to the Mazda 3 product you'd understand the reasoning behind my post. It isn't a one off.

My point was to understand how does he define those buyers as sheep and why not to other buyers from the top 10?
Also would the term sheep have been used back when the Falcodore were occupying spots 1 and 2? If they were now, would the buyers be sheep?

**SSD-85** · 12-01-2013, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Wretched

Thank you captain obvious for pointing out the forum title

Actually if you have seen that user's posts in other threads relating to the Mazda 3 product you'd understand the reasoning behind my post. It isn't a one off.

My point was to understand how does he define those buyers as sheep and why not to other buyers from the top 10?
Also would the term sheep have been used back when the Falcodore were occupying spots 1 and 2? If they were now, would the buyers be sheep?

Youre welcome, I endeavour to make apparent the obvious to those whom lack the foresight.

If you could ignore previous posts by said user, and only calculate based on the context in this thread, you would see the light-heartedness of it.
My point is, to take peoples OPINIONS with a grain of salt, not as the definitive gospel of their very morality.

And no, the term "sheep" would not be used for a "falcon" vehicle. Simply because of the very forum we are posting in, funnily enough....

Wretched · 12-01-2013, 10:22 PM

Thank you for proving my point

prydey · 12-01-2013, 10:32 PM

actually the term 'sheep' could be used for any number of the top 5 or so cars. i believe the term refers to people who blindly follow the popular choice even though it may not be the best option. as products gain popularity, people blindly follow with the thinking that if its popular it must be ok.

so, although sometimes it seems like anyone not buying a falcon is accused of being a sheep, i think the term is a valid one considering most of the top 5 cars are not considered by the auto industry as 'best in class' vehicles.

i had a 'discussion' with my g'ma recently with her claiming that corolla's were the best cars because decades ago her late husband worked for a company that had a few of then and they didn't have any problems. now how can you argue with that sort of logic??

( i did try

)

this is the world we live in.

another can of worms, but i believe apple is another case in point (products that are popular but not necessarily the best on the market).

**russellw** · 12-01-2013, 11:00 PM

I don't as they aren't reported separately however I have asked for a breakdown of Falcon model and engine variant mix so hopefully we'll get that information soon.

Cheers
Russ

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigwil

Great work Russell, but would you know the total figure of ecoboost falcons sold for 2012?

stevz · 12-01-2013, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

actually the term 'sheep' could be used for any number of the top 5 or so cars. i believe the term refers to people who blindly follow the popular choice even though it may not be the best option. as products gain popularity, people blindly follow with the thinking that if its popular it must be ok.

That is absolutely spot on, and I continue to single out the Mazda 3 because of the sheer numbers compared to other cars in the top 5, when imo the product is not worthy of those numbers.