First experience .. Vic law regarding passing emergency vehicle

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by prydey

The truck driver would be pretty happy the Porsche guy is stealing the limelight. The Porsche guy is no role model (quite the opposite), but he played a relatively minor role in this incident.

The Porsche driver will make no difference in the truck drivers case, think the truck driver realised from the moment of the accident he was in deep s*** which resulted in his mental impairment.
He will definitely be accessed for mental issues as reported.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by prydey

The truck driver would be pretty happy the Porsche guy is stealing the limelight. The Porsche guy is no role model (quite the opposite), but he played a relatively minor role in this incident.

Methman Mohinder was claiming he was trying to avoid a Witch!

https://7news.com.au/news/vic/easter...cers-c-1019116

*Glass BBQ bubbling noises*

[MercuryT]

The Truck Driver will get a far higher punishment.

He's locked up for a fair while.

Dic^head Porsche driver (other than being an idiot) won't face jail as charges aren't serious enough.

Hopefully I'm wrong but again, it is my area.

[ford71V8]

Wow, I thought the Witch thing was something silly made up on a forum.
But he's actually said this.
Pushing for mental health angle?

[zilo]

I think it is absolute insanity for police to flag drivers to stop IMMEIDIATELY when they put their lights and sirens on.
As far as i am concerned that is not an emergency and does not justify use of the emergency lane for that purpose.

In practice some time go I was caught speeding, guilty, on the Citylink just before High Street road outbound.

I refused to pull over anywhere on that freeway and turned off into a side road off High street rd. The policeman was quite "annoyed" until I explained that i felt it was un safe to pull over. He did not dispute that and actually let me off.

Sometimes common sense by all parties prevails.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by zilo

I think it is absolute insanity for police to flag drivers to stop IMMEIDIATELY when they put their lights and sirens on.
As far as i am concerned that is not an emergency and does not justify use of the emergency lane for that purpose.

In practice some time go I was caught speeding, guilty, on the Citylink just before High Street road outbound.

I refused to pull over anywhere on that freeway and turned off into a side road off High street rd. The policeman was quite "annoyed" until I explained that i felt it was un safe to pull over. He did not dispute that and actually let me off.

Sometimes common sense by all parties prevails.

Interestingly I have always driven further to pull over safely if need to be when directed by police and never had any bad word from Mr Plod, if any praise for acting in safe manner.

[MercuryT]

Originally Posted by prydey

The truck driver would be pretty happy the Porsche guy is stealing the limelight. The Porsche guy is no role model (quite the opposite), but he played a relatively minor role in this incident.

His involvement are for (comparitively) minor crimes that happen every day.

It's just newsworthy as just so stupid, and gets media attention.

The Truck Driver is in huge trouble in comparison. He'll be locked up for a fair while.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by MercuryT

His involvement are for (comparitively) minor crimes that happen every day.

It's just newsworthy as just so stupid, and gets media attention.

The Truck Driver is in huge trouble in comparison. He'll be locked up for a fair while.

Think you will find the Porsche driver will be treated seriously by the police in regards with the accident, after all he is the very reason why they were there when they got killed in the accident.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

Think you will find the Porsche driver will be treated seriously by the police in regards with the accident, after all he is the very reason why they were there when they got killed in the accident.

Not to mention walking off with total disregard for anybody injured.

[EBSXR6]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

Not to mention walking off with total disregard for anybody injured.

The Porsche driver at the centre of the Eastern Freeway tragedy was once a nurse who could have provided first aid instead of filming a dying policewoman, a court has heard.

Police revealed Richard Pusey’s criminal past and disregard for the law as they vehemently opposed him being granted bail in Melbourne Magistrates’ Court yesterday.

Detective Senior Constable Aaron Price said the mortgage broker was a danger to the public given his reckless driving history and priors for abusive and threatening *behaviour.

He also dismissed claims by Mr Pusey’s barrister Vincent Peters that his client was in shock and did not help Leading Senior Constable Lynette Taylor because a doctor had arrived on scene.

Det Price said a shocked person would not instantly think to grab a phone to film a video, zooming in on the dying policewoman, where he “narrates it in a calm and *derogatory matter”.

Det Price said Mr Pusey should have performed CPR or “comfort someone who is dying”.

“You have to be trained to do CPR, don’t you?” Mr Peters asked.

Det Price replied: “(Mr Pusey) was a registered nurse, so he has experience in first aid.”

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

Not to mention walking off with total disregard for anybody injured.

How is having total disregard unlawful? Some think his actions may be immoral, but that's a matter of opinion, not law.

I'm of the opinion he's not going to get anywhere near the punishment some wish he would receive.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

Think you will find the Porsche driver will be treated seriously by the police in regards with the accident, after all he is the very reason why they were there when they got killed in the accident.

Pusey is not the reason the Police got killed. Isn't it the case the truck driver, who ploughed into the back of the tow truck, who is being investigated? Pusey's the knucklehead driving his Porsche above the speed limit giving the Police cause to pull him over and impound his vehicle.

It's a good thing the Police are not the Judiciary.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Romulus

How is having total disregard unlawful? Some think his actions may be immoral, but that's a matter of opinion, not law.

I'm of the opinion he's not going to get anywhere near the punishment some wish he would receive.

Where did I mention that what he did was unlawful?

Do not try to twist my post to suit your way of thinking!

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

Where did I mention that what he did was unlawful?

Do not try to twist my post to suit your way of thinking!

Not to mention walking off with total disregard for anybody injured.

Your words, not mine. Interpret my reply any way you like.

My point was, he may have acted in total disregard, but is that unlawful? It's a question, not a statement. I guess we'll find out Thursday if his application for bail is successful. A lot of people will be watching/listing/reading with interest.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Romulus

Pusey is not the reason the Police got killed. Isn't it the case the truck driver, who ploughed into the back of the tow truck, who is being investigated? Pusey's the knucklehead driving his Porsche above the speed limit giving the Police cause to pull him over and impound his vehicle.

It's a good thing the Police are not the Judiciary.

To be quite honest I don’t think you grasp the way the law works in our legal system, Pusey is linked to the accident no doubt about it.

[Franco Cozzo]

Pusey was also allegedly captured doing 247km/h on the Monash Freeway, including 160km/h through roadworks.

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...-richard-pusey

Lol, need to get those home loans approved before close of business.

Also what's the relevance for mentioning the doctors race - positive PR campaign?

“Even if one officer [Taylor] was alive, she was attended to immediately by a Chinese doctor, an Asian doctor,” Peters said.

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by Romulus

Pusey is not the reason the Police got killed.

The police are trying to keep him locked up based on past behaviour and the risk to the community of him re-offending. It’s a good point that may well work, however, they are pushing the emotive aspect of what he’s done using “in their words” his total disregard for the law as the reason. That’s why they are putting a lot of weight on the indictable offences while on bail side of things.

I was surprised with the barrister being unaware of the second Porsche that he has at home and with his past nursing experience. The court can allow an undertaking be given that prevents him either from using the car or for using it in accordance and with total compliance with the road safety act even though the police will be opposed to it. He would also have an immediate licence suspension for six-months for the speeding infringement anyway.

Originally Posted by Romulus

How is having total disregard unlawful? Some think his actions may be immoral, but that's a matter of opinion, not law.

And that’s the reason his barrister should have been going hard. It doesn’t matter what he did to get pulled over. The fact that he complied with the directions of the police, pulled over and willingly underwent a drug test without indecent shows that he doesn’t have a “total” disregard for the law. It’s a double edged sword for the police.

Originally Posted by Romulus

It's a good thing the Police are not the Judiciary.

Absolutely and Lawyer X and the Preston disability pensioner bashing are two reasons that come to mind. Every one of those police members believed that they acted lawfully and in the case of the pensioner, in self defence.

Originally Posted by EBSXR6

Detective Senior Constable Aaron Price said the mortgage broker was a danger to the public given his reckless driving history and priors for abusive and threatening *behaviour.
He also dismissed claims by Mr Pusey’s barrister Vincent Peters that his client was in shock and did not help Leading Senior Constable Lynette Taylor because a doctor had arrived on scene. Det Price said a shocked person would not instantly think to grab a phone to film a video, zooming in on the dying policewoman, where he “narrates it in a calm and *derogatory matter”.

Det Price said Mr Pusey should have performed CPR or “comfort someone who is dying”.

“You have to be trained to do CPR, don’t you?” Mr Peters asked.

Det Price replied: “(Mr Pusey) was a registered nurse, so he has experience in first aid.”

Detective Senior Constable Aaron Price is no fool, that’s the exact reason he is on the case, however, it’s his job to argue the case to the best of his ability.
That doesn’t mean to the letter of the law and fairly, that’s for the magistrate to decide.
Detective Senior Constable Aaron Price is (NOT) as psychologist or psychiatrist, so how would he be able to give evidence to how Mr Pusey “should” react. Emotions and reactions are not really tangible, everyone reacts differently and it’s not something that can be easily defined by someone not highly trained in the area. Like many, I have seen (A) video from the scene and there were a lot of people around. Mr Pusey had tested positive to an illicit substance, so the law deems him not capable of operating a motor vehicle. This argument can also be used to determine his ability to render assistance as well. The police can’t have it both ways.

Nursing qualifications must be kept current otherwise nurses can’t legally work. If Mr Pusey’s qualifications are not current, he can’t act as a "nurse" and the police would have known this. They are trying it on to see if it works. It's also highly unlikely that someone who has (A) just tested positive for an illicit substance and (B) just witnessed the horrific event would push a doctor out of the way because he is "supposedly" obligated to render assistance. This could also be argued that he was effectively "rendering assistance" by not getting in the doctor's way.

Detective Senior Constable Aaron Price is pushing the emotive element as there’s nothing in the road safety act that specifies anything to do with comforting someone or giving CPR. It’s only classed as rendering assistance which has been covered in a previous post, #243.

Originally Posted by The Courier

“I did 275 [km/h] first … then when I returned I took us to 300,” he allegedly told a friend. “It [the car] will do 350 and it’s coming.”

Nothing more that loose talk and heresay. Unless the “friend” is prepared to testify under oath, it will be dismissed. Even if he does testify that he said it, how does he prove that Mr Pusey wasn’t just talking garbage? We all know that the car can do it, (300 kp/h) doesn’t mean that he did it on the road. We’re all aware of the dash cam footage of “a black Porsche” on the Eastern Freeway, but there is also footage of Mr Pusey at a track day at Phillip Island.
Saying that it will do 350 is “just talk” and can be dismissed by an expert witness from Porsche.

Originally Posted by The Courier

Pusey was also allegedly captured doing 247km/h on the Monash Freeway, including 160km/h through roadworks.

The cameras that “most likely” captured this are not approved speed measuring devices, that is why Mr Pusey would not have received an infringement notice for the offence.
The cameras are located on the Stanley Street overpass and form part of Vicroads, now “Dept of Transport’s” heavy vehicle monitoring system, similar to Safe-T-Cam in NSW and SA. I have seen images from these cameras and they are certainly an eye opener, but they are used primarily for monitoring traffic and enforcement of heavy vehicles only.

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

https://www.theguardian.com/australi...-richard-pusey

Also what's the relevance for mentioning the doctors race - positive PR campaign?

Yep, and WTF does that have to do with the price of bats at the Wuhan market?

Easy to see the narrative here. Perhaps they should put a bit more emphasis in the nationality of the truck driver.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by ford71V8

Wow, I thought the Witch thing was something silly made up on a forum.
But he's actually said this.
Pushing for mental health angle?

Witches are common sightings for those tugging on a glass BBQ

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by EBSXR6

The Porsche driver at the centre of the Eastern Freeway tragedy was once a nurse who could have provided first aid instead of filming a dying policewoman, a court has heard.

Police revealed Richard Pusey’s criminal past and disregard for the law as they vehemently opposed him being granted bail in Melbourne Magistrates’ Court yesterday.

Detective Senior Constable Aaron Price said the mortgage broker was a danger to the public given his reckless driving history and priors for abusive and threatening *behaviour.

He also dismissed claims by Mr Pusey’s barrister Vincent Peters that his client was in shock and did not help Leading Senior Constable Lynette Taylor because a doctor had arrived on scene.

Det Price said a shocked person would not instantly think to grab a phone to film a video, zooming in on the dying policewoman, where he “narrates it in a calm and *derogatory matter”.

Det Price said Mr Pusey should have performed CPR or “comfort someone who is dying”.

“You have to be trained to do CPR, don’t you?” Mr Peters asked.

Det Price replied: “(Mr Pusey) was a registered nurse, so he has experience in first aid.”

The general rule is that one doesn’t have to go and help in an emergency but there is an expectation that health professionals will render assistance when they are aware that assistance is required. In the right circumstances failure to do so may lead to civil liability or professional discipline.

Hes not a Nurse anymore, but they will be doing all this as part of his Character assessment

[Mulva]

Looks like Dick Pussy didn't make bail

[Romulus]

Interesting breakdown from Magistrate Metcalf. So bail is refused, but "she believed there would be issues proving the more serious charges and said she held concerns any jail sentence he received would be shorter than time spent on remand."

Any legal experts want to comment on this? So does he appeal the bail decision.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...13-p54sqt.html

[jaydee]

Just to clarify for those who don't understand the law in this matter.
If you are involved in a traffic accident in any state in Australia and probably any country in the world, it is an offence to not stay and render assistance and YES you can be charged for failing to do so. Even if it was to just ring for an Ambulance, you would be OK.
Now Pusey wasn't actually driving his car when it happened, but his car was involved and he was the driver and was present.
https://www.legalaid.vic.gov.au/find...ne-of-accident
https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safe...sponsibilities

The argument will be that he was not actually driving at the time, and this will be a matter to be determined by the Courts, but as it stands it appears that he can be charged for failing to render assistance.

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by Romulus

Interesting breakdown from Magistrate Metcalf. So bail is refused, but "she believed there would be issues proving the more serious charges and said she held concerns any jail sentence he received would be shorter than time spent on remand."

Any legal experts want to comment on this? So does he appeal the bail decision.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...13-p54sqt.html

Further, the Magistrate said,
"...did hold concerns about his risk of committing offences on bail and of endangering the safety and welfare of members of the public."
and
“My view is that Mr Pusey poses an unacceptable risk of committing offences on bail and of endangering the safety and welfare of members of the public,” she said.

“Bail is therefore refused.”

Boom boom

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by jaydee

Just to clarify for those who don't understand the law in this matter.

The argument will be that he was not actually driving at the time, and this will be a matter to be determined by the Courts, but as it stands it appears that he can be charged for failing to render assistance.

And this appears to be the only charge Pusey is facing, failing to render assistance. Wow.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by jaydee

Further, the Magistrate said,
"...did hold concerns about his risk of committing offences on bail and of endangering the safety and welfare of members of the public."
and
“My view is that Mr Pusey poses an unacceptable risk of committing offences on bail and of endangering the safety and welfare of members of the public,” she said.

“Bail is therefore refused.”

Boom boom

"She said the bail application had not substantially addressed what treatment or support Mr Pusey would seek to address these issues to stop his mental health deteriorating."

I'll take it this will be grounds for appeal if the matters the Magistrate commented on are addressed (if the judicial process allows this).

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by Mulva

Looks like Dick Pussy didn't make bail

Just out of Curiosity, Does anyone know If; His Car was being Impounded Under the Victorian "Hoon Laws"..????

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by hayseed

Just out of Curiosity, Does anyone know If; His Car was being Impounded Under the Victorian "Hoon Laws"..????

That's the reason he was on the side of the road. They were waiting for a tow truck to impound the car.

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by Romulus

"She said the bail application had not substantially addressed what treatment or support Mr Pusey would seek to address these issues to stop his mental health deteriorating."

I'll take it this will be grounds for appeal if the matters the Magistrate commented on are addressed (if the judicial process allows this).

Then he can be detained under the Mental Health Act, the Magistrate obviously has concerns about him being a danger to himself and the public. He appears to have a narcissistic personality disorder, but don't quote me, I'm not a Psych, just from what the definition is, he fits the bill.
Plus he's on 12 charges by my last count.
https://www.theguardian.com/australi...-richard-pusey

[hayseed]

Isn't there some type of "Extra" penalties applied to Hoon Law Charges.??
& on the 3rd Strike the Cars forfeited to the Govt..??

Considering the Plethora of Charges they've thrown At Him, I would've thought there'd be mention of the Hoon Laws in amongst them..!!