First experience .. Vic law regarding passing emergency vehicle - Page 15

MDS69 · 14-05-2020, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by EBSXR6

The Porsche driver at the centre of the Eastern Freeway tragedy was once a nurse who could have provided first aid instead of filming a dying policewoman, a court has heard.

Police revealed Richard Pusey’s criminal past and disregard for the law as they vehemently opposed him being granted bail in Melbourne Magistrates’ Court yesterday.

Detective Senior Constable Aaron Price said the mortgage broker was a danger to the public given his reckless driving history and priors for abusive and threatening *behaviour.

He also dismissed claims by Mr Pusey’s barrister Vincent Peters that his client was in shock and did not help Leading Senior Constable Lynette Taylor because a doctor had arrived on scene.

Det Price said a shocked person would not instantly think to grab a phone to film a video, zooming in on the dying policewoman, where he “narrates it in a calm and *derogatory matter”.

Det Price said Mr Pusey should have performed CPR or “comfort someone who is dying”.

“You have to be trained to do CPR, don’t you?” Mr Peters asked.

Det Price replied: “(Mr Pusey) was a registered nurse, so he has experience in first aid.”

I use to have my senior first aid certificate but let it lapse but still do annually my LV rescue and basic life support. In NSW at least you are not obliged to perform first aid. The injured party may be not a nationality you want to perform mouth to mouth on, they may have vomit or other bodily fluids around/in their mouth, they may have a large chest wound. Any of these things may make someone unwilling to assist however calling emergency services can be seen as assisting the injured party.
Also you don’t have to be trained to perform CPR or any first aid. Our instructor always says any form of first aid is better than none. Same if you drag someone out of a car that might catch fire and that person ends up a quadriplegic from your actions. You cannot be prosecuted or sued.
What this person is guilty of is being a flog. A lot of the other stuff He has been picked up for happens every day, speeding, drug possession/under influence of etc But it is because the truck driver did what he is alleged to have done that the Porsche driver is getting all this attention. Being distasteful isn’t a crime.

efirestorer · 14-05-2020, 07:56 PM

Unfortunately , even though Pusey may be the most reviled moron on the planet ( that is NOT an offence ) he may not have been in control of his vehicle at the time it was involved in an accident , apparently having been seized by the arresting police , and therefore not required to exchange names , render assistance any more than any other spectators at the scene. It appears that the decision to refuse bail ( which took an unusual time to decide - three days ) is based on the public revulsion at his antics after the accident , no doubt his lawyers will be applying to the Supreme Court for bail.

**Full Noise** · 14-05-2020, 08:30 PM

Some interesting things to come out of this today. As I suspected in an earlier post, the prosecution are relying on his past behaviour to refuse bail, not so much on the events relating to the crash itself.

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Unfortunately , even though Pusey may be the most reviled moron on the planet ( that is NOT an offence ) he may not have been in control of his vehicle at the time it was involved in an accident , apparently having been seized by the arresting police , and therefore not required to exchange names , render assistance any more than any other spectators at the scene. It appears that the decision to refuse bail ( which took an unusual time to decide - three days ) is based on the public revulsion at his antics after the accident , no doubt his lawyers will be applying to the Supreme Court for bail.

I mentioned this in posts #243 and #247. It’s interesting that the magistrate would place such emphasis on the fact that the more serous charges won’t stick. This is a very strong message to the prosecution. Magistrate Joanna Metcalf has effectively told the police to cut the BS and stick to the matter at hand. Very potent words.

Looks like he’s off to the Supreme Court with a better legal team.

prydey · 15-05-2020, 09:40 AM

https://www.news.com.au/news/nationa...8d415e26bd6819

Connect Logistics suffer some consequences of the 'audit'.

While on the surface some may say 'wow, how dangerous is this company', realistically they are probably no worse than many other vehicles on the road. They just like to word things to make them sound like death traps (my opinion obviously).

The fatigue rules are one size fits all, and they don't always (if ever) make things actually safer. Breaches of the fatigue rules can be very petty.

Either way, its hardly enough to find them culpable for anything related to the incident.

**GasoLane** · 15-05-2020, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by prydey

https://www.news.com.au/news/nationa...8d415e26bd6819

Connect Logistics suffer some consequences of the 'audit'.

While on the surface some may say 'wow, how dangerous is this company', realistically they are probably no worse than many other vehicles on the road. They just like to word things to make them sound like death traps (my opinion obviously).

The fatigue rules are one size fits all, and they don't always (if ever) make things actually safer. Breaches of the fatigue rules can be very petty.

Either way, its hardly enough to find them culpable for anything related to the incident.

Pretty hard to find a Truck without an oil leak somewhere. Some Trucks (especially B-Doubles) can have more than 40 lights, they only need one 5w clearance light on the side of a trailer not working and it's considered a minor defect.

Bossxr8 · 15-05-2020, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by efirestorer

Unfortunately , even though Pusey may be the most reviled moron on the planet ( that is NOT an offence ) he may not have been in control of his vehicle at the time it was involved in an accident , apparently having been seized by the arresting police , and therefore not required to exchange names , render assistance any more than any other spectators at the scene. It appears that the decision to refuse bail ( which took an unusual time to decide - three days ) is based on the public revulsion at his antics after the accident , no doubt his lawyers will be applying to the Supreme Court for bail.

More likely his past history and mental state are the reason for no bail. He has a pretty long rap sheet and has done time before. They consider him a danger to the public.

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

Some interesting things to come out of this today. As I suspected in an earlier post, the prosecution are relying on his past behaviour to refuse bail, not so much on the events relating to the crash itself.

I mentioned this in posts #243 and #247. It’s interesting that the magistrate would place such emphasis on the fact that the more serous charges won’t stick. This is a very strong message to the prosecution. Magistrate Joanna Metcalf has effectively told the police to cut the BS and stick to the matter at hand. Very potent words.

Looks like he’s off to the Supreme Court with a better legal team.

He will get off most of the charges relating to the crash and running off. I think he will only get pinged for the driving offences, the destroying evidence part and thats pretty much it. The magistrate admitted some of the charges might not stick. I'd say most won't.

prydey · 15-05-2020, 10:48 AM

Is it wrong that i just picture some guy in a suit with a high vis vest thrown on, walking around with a clipboard, and trying not to get dirty

hayseed · 15-05-2020, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by prydey

https://www.news.com.au/news/nationa...8d415e26bd6819

Connect Logistics suffer some consequences of the 'audit'.

While on the surface some may say 'wow, how dangerous is this company', realistically they are probably no worse than many other vehicles on the road. They just like to word things to make them sound like death traps (my opinion obviously).

The fatigue rules are one size fits all, and they don't always (if ever) make things actually safer. Breaches of the fatigue rules can be very petty.

Either way, its hardly enough to find them culpable for anything related to the incident.

That's 5 Million Percent better than if They had of raided them (or their predecessor) a few years Ago..

**GasoLane** · 15-05-2020, 11:12 AM

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That's 5 Million Percent better than if They had of raided them (or their predecessor) a few years Ago..

Roadmaster?

Franco Cozzo · 15-05-2020, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GasoLane

Pretty hard to find a Truck without an oil leak somewhere. Some Trucks (especially B-Doubles) can have more than 40 lights, they only need one 5w clearance light on the side of a trailer not working and it's considered a minor defect.

It's a fun job when someone rocks up with an older trailer with 12V clearance lights that a Kenworth prime mover usually pulls and they're pulling it with a different truck today cause something's gone wrong and it's a 24V truck with 12V incandescent lights on the trailer

Multi-volt LED lights prevent this problem of someone having to change over a bazillion globes

roKWiz · 15-05-2020, 12:29 PM

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Is it wrong that i just picture some guy in a suit with a high vis vest thrown on, walking around with a clipboard, and trying not to get dirty

Are you thinking what I'm thinking.

borough · 15-05-2020, 12:47 PM

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Are you thinking what I'm thinking.

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LOL. They probably earn more than you and get to see their families every night. The joys have having an education rather than being a semi-skilled worker.

roKWiz · 15-05-2020, 12:52 PM

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LOL. They probably earn more than you and get to see their families every night. The joys have having an education rather than being a semi-skilled worker.

here we go.

Bossxr8 · 15-05-2020, 12:59 PM

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LOL. They probably earn more than you and get to see their families every night. The joys have having an education rather than being a semi-skilled worker.

Tell that to all the university grads on the dole, with their diploma being worth as much as a pinch of sheet, because they chose some rubbish course that leads to nothing.

I laugh at all the people I know who have worthless degrees that make less money than I do. Or even have degrees that are reasonable, but in fields where it is close to impossible to get jobs.

borough · 15-05-2020, 01:01 PM

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here we go.

Just pulling up your misogynist post.

roKWiz · 15-05-2020, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by borough

Just pulling up your misogynist post.

Ok, thanks, much appreciated.

Bossxr8 · 15-05-2020, 01:32 PM

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Just pulling up your misogynist post.

How is misogynist?

It's a comment on people in jobs, who have to evaluate other people's jobs they have no clue about. It is not a comment about the person in that job being a woman.

Bloody snowflakes these days. Want to cause issues for no bloody reason.

Franco Cozzo · 15-05-2020, 01:52 PM

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Just pulling up your misogynist post.

I tried to become one of those flogs with the clipboard but my boobs are hairy and the wrong shape :(

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How is misogynist?

It's a comment on people in jobs, who have to evaluate other people's jobs they have no clue about. It is not a comment about the person in that job being a woman.

Bloody snowflakes these days. Want to cause issues for no bloody reason.

We should probably back off on the rampant misogyny around here.

Being misogynistic is wrong.

And being wrong is for women auditing the transportation industry

roKWiz · 15-05-2020, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I tried to become one of those flogs with the clipboard but my boobs are hairy and the wrong shape :(

We should probably back off on the rampant misogyny around here.

Being misogynistic is wrong.

And being wrong is for women

Oh boy, Franco.

roKWiz · 15-05-2020, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GasoLane

Pretty hard to find a Truck without an oil leak somewhere. .

Especially when its Detroit powered.

**GasoLane** · 15-05-2020, 02:05 PM

One thing to keep in mind in this thread is

roKWiz · 15-05-2020, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GasoLane

One thing to keep in mind in this thread is

Fancy calling Franco a troll.

hayseed · 15-05-2020, 02:09 PM

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One thing to keep in mind in this thread is

Very True;It needs to go back down It's Burrow..

Franco Cozzo · 15-05-2020, 02:11 PM

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Fancy calling Franco a troll.

This is discrimination against those of us who live under bridges

Itsme · 15-05-2020, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

How is misogynist?

It's a comment on people in jobs, who have to evaluate other people's jobs they have no clue about. It is not a comment about the person in that job being a woman.

Bloody snowflakes these days. Want to cause issues for no bloody reason.

Misogynist means a person who dislikes or is prejudice against women, in other words a woman hater.
Cheers.

PS: is roKWiz a woman?

MercuryT · 15-05-2020, 05:43 PM

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Think you will find the Porsche driver will be treated seriously by the police in regards with the accident, after all he is the very reason why they were there when they got killed in the accident.

Nah sorry but - not how it works in Practice.

Both incidents and crimes totally unrelated from a legal perspective.

His d'head behaviour has zero bearing on what happened to the Police Officers. Can't blame him for Truck Drivers negligence, cars are pulled over the time (in safety lanes etc)

Pusey will walk.

Bossxr8 · 15-05-2020, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Officemanager

Misogynist means a person who dislikes or is prejudice against women, in other words a woman hater.
Cheers.

PS: is roKWiz a woman?

I was asking how is it misogynist. Not asking what one was.

MercuryT · 15-05-2020, 06:17 PM

As much as the media have revealed Pusey as a knob of the highest order, let's not forget the bigger picture people.

He is very lucky I agree, as high and speeding. (among the rest)

But he didn't kill anyone.

The Truck Driver has and whether it's fair or not, consequences impact sentences vastly and he's gone.

whitelion65 · 15-05-2020, 06:37 PM

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One thing to keep in mind in this thread is

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I read you can get up to 40kwts. ?

Wise words, Gas. Issues like this are like cancer. Only Solomon would know what to do.

I would release him, right outside the prison....at night....

MITCHAY · 15-05-2020, 07:03 PM

Like I said earlier it will be a technicality. To be clear even if he seems to be a true **** **** if he has committed no crime than he should not be held unreasonably.

But he was already on bail when he allegedly committed these driving offences at the very least.

Apparently the bail application was denied because of public safety concerns and given what has happened and what is publicly known that would seem appropriate.

All the times they let people out on bail and they go on to do other terrible things and people complain about it.

Sorry this is not the time to back this bloke in about be picked on unfairly in my opinion. Even without the accident the bloke seems a good candidate to keep away from being out in public,