VF Holden

[In Focus]

Originally Posted by chookaradley

Heard Mike Deveraux (Holden CEO) on Melbourne radio this morning. He was asked a direct question... how much will it cost?. His answer along the lines of... Australians need to remember this is the safest, most technologically advanced most effecient car ever produced in this country...

Stay tuned, me thinks plenty!

I guess he's more or less akin to a politician...

As for the VF, I think it's a good pointer to the future of the Falcon. It looks good on the outside, even better on the inside, and has all of the tech. most people could ask for. If it doesn't boost sales numbers on more than an initial basis, then large cars in this country would seem to be an endangered species.

[Buntz]

Originally Posted by JPFS1

Exterior imho has a more generic look to it, nothing ground breaking, definitely not my highlight of the package.

The interior has been worked over very nicely, really like some elements, while there are other areas that clash for cohesion, ie door trim. The large swooping curve across the IP gives it a Korean look which I don't think i'm a fan of. Bur overall it is a nice interior.

For Ford fans, 2014 Falcon is vastly different and won't look like a large Daewoo or Opal.

My Sentiments exactly. I don't know about anyone else, but Ford have certainly got me excited about the 2014 Falcon. This will be the best Falcon yet.

Originally Posted by Auslandau

The BEST thing about the VF is that we now know what the Falcon next year will offer. That's the best thing about being second in the rounds .... just makes sure you have everything available. Lifts the bar for techno overload for those who like pretty lights and buttons. The G6ET is going to be the one to wait for. Its not that far off really!

Just hope that Commodore does well (pains me to say) but it might get some interest back into the big sedans rather than the over indulgence of SUV's. Chrysler vs Ford vs Holden ...... oh those were the days

Yep... Ford will always deliver the better car, but always second.

Throw Nissan(Infiniti) and Hyundai into the fray soon. Maybe even Kia.

Originally Posted by Auslandau

Ford people on Ford Forums are actually way more critical to Fords than anything else around. Added the poll to see where the thinking lies and funny that 50% like and do not like. 80% like the interior ....... so what are you saying? Not following

I'm not sure if most of the members here can be even classified Ford fans, but if they can be... then most people who drive Fords love to *****.

[Rico 110s]

Originally Posted by Rapid_Axe

Interior is a big step up from VE however still not sold on the exterior, but then again when you're driving the car you can't see the exterior anyway.

Funny had friends that once said that about the AU after they bought a VT Commode.

[Night]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Here is a News headline.

"GM set to brand Commodores as Chevrolet in Australia"...

God I hope that one comes true, we might see people start putting Holden badges back on their cars!

[Chopped]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

Ford people on Ford Forums are actually way more critical to Fords than anything else around. Added the poll to see where the thinking lies and funny that 50% like and do not like. 80% like the interior ....... so what are you saying? Not following

Fair call. I'll pull my head in.

I was unfairly lumping this thread (which reading back through the comments is fairly postive) with all the anti-Aussie car crap comments I have been reading on various auto and news websites lately. The usual "Bogan, Aussie Crap, Fall Apart, Dinosaurs, Cheap Falcadores" tags that BOTH name plates get labelled with.

Not many people respect Aussie cars anymore it seems. I hope the VF and next years Falcon can help both nameplates gain some sorely needed respect.

The VF seems to be a good start.....

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Chopped

Fair call. I'll pull my head in.

I was unfairly lumping this thread (which reading back through the comments is fairly postive) with all the anti-Aussie car crap comments I have been reading on various auto and news websites lately. The usual "Bogan, Aussie Crap, Fall Apart, Dinosaurs, Cheap Falcadores" tags that BOTH name plates get labelled with.

Not many people respect Aussie cars anymore it seems. I hope the VF and next years Falcon can help both nameplates gain some sorely needed respect.

The VF seems to be a good start.....

A lot of Commodore stalwards are on their second and even third VE Commodore,
the VF will attract a lot of Holden buyers back nto the new car market which is great
news for the local industry. It will also make all those second hand VEs a lot cheaper
as the price drops away..

I have a hunch that Holden will want to hold fast with VF Commodore pricing,
that means no sub $40K variants for at least the first six months....

Hmmm, maybe FGII isn't looking so bad = four months until VF arrives,
then VF will have much higher prices, no cheap discounts before Jan 2014?
I think FGII could get some easing of sales pressure during that time,
the hard Yakka will start about this time next year...

[Fab]

[1TUFFUTE]

you know what...I think holden have stuffed up a little here. They appear to think tech is where its at with large aussie cars. I honestly think its ECONOMY or cost of living too the car owner.
Holden has only prettied the car up...given it an extremely light weight reduction but more the problem is the crappy inefficient and ANCIENT tech engines they have apparently kept.
That's why I think holden has failed here.
But hey it looks ok inside

[MethodX]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

you know what...I think holden have stuffed up a little here. They appear to think tech is where its at with large aussie cars. I honestly think its ECONOMY or cost of living too the car owner.
Holden has only prettied the car up...given it an extremely light weight reduction but more the problem is the crappy inefficient and ANCIENT tech engines they have apparently kept.
That's why I think holden has failed here.
But hey it looks ok inside

What ancient tech engines? the v6 is ok tech wise.
And the V8, well it could get the new Corvette motor with direct injection and vvt.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

you know what...I think holden have stuffed up a little here. They appear to think tech is where its at with large aussie cars. I honestly think its ECONOMY or cost of living too the car owner.
Holden has only prettied the car up...given it an extremely light weight reduction but more the problem is the crappy inefficient and ANCIENT tech engines they have apparently kept.
That's why I think holden has failed here.
But hey it looks ok inside

low tech sidi! had your meds yet?

economy and SUV don't realy go together either, but sale's say otherwise.

[4.0i_SiX]

Originally Posted by burnz

low tech sidi! had your meds yet?

economy and SUV don't realy go together either, but sale's say otherwise.

What an old Alfa design is high tech?

A turbo diesel prado gets quite good fuel economy so that blows that statement out of the water.

Back on topic for a minute,

I dont think the outside is cohesive. Maybe it will grow on me after a while. I do like the interior though, its the first commodore interior that I have ever liked

[stevz]

Originally Posted by 4.0i_SiX

What an old Alfa design is high tech?

How is the GM SIDI engine an 'old Alfa design?' That's quite funny considering Alfa used GM HFV6 engines in their cars for many years.

[Brazen]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

you know what...I think holden have stuffed up a little here. They appear to think tech is where its at with large aussie cars. I honestly think its ECONOMY or cost of living too the car owner.
Holden has only prettied the car up...given it an extremely light weight reduction but more the problem is the crappy inefficient and ANCIENT tech engines they have apparently kept.
That's why I think holden has failed here.
But hey it looks ok inside

Low tech? Sigh... This is the problem Aussie cars have, they have to deal with people who have no idea what they are talking about.

For goodness sake, Commodore has better fuel economy than the smaller Accord, Maxima, and Aurion. And hardly any of the 6 cylinder imports have direct injection like the Commodore has.

[Stagg]

Originally Posted by Brazen

Commodore has better fuel economy than the smaller Accord, Maxima, and Aurion. And hardly any of the 6 cylinder imports have direct injection like the Commodore has.

Yeah this is what ****s me with most folks these days, assuming that bigger cars equals worse fuel economy. Just like people assume V8 means petrol guzzler and 4 cylinder turbo driven like its stolen means using less fuel.

Buzzbox driver logic lol

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

you know what...I think holden have stuffed up a little here. They appear to think tech is where its at with large aussie cars. I honestly think its ECONOMY or cost of living too the car owner.
Holden has only prettied the car up...given it an extremely light weight reduction but more the problem is the crappy inefficient and ANCIENT tech engines they have apparently kept.
That's why I think holden has failed here.
But hey it looks ok inside

Sorry to continue with your statement but if that's the case, EcoBoost and EcoLpi would be leading the sales race? Reading the forums it's the trinkets that get everyone excited these days. Not performance or economy. Actually this release has been about the inside buttons and the pretty lights and dials. Havnt really read much on engine output or what economy is expected. It's all about how many cup holders!

[madmelon]

Originally Posted by Fab

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Is that a chop or has someone broken the sports model embargo?

Either way, it seems far less agressive than the VE sports models.

[Gabbs]

What ford and holden need to do is get rid of the "bogan car" attitude people have. All you have to do is see some of the comments on the car websites when the car was released.

[XWGT]

Originally Posted by auslandau

the g6et is going to be the one to wait for. Its not that far off really!

+1000

[XWGT]

Originally Posted by madmelon

Is that a chop or has someone broken the sports model embargo?

Either way, it seems far less agressive than the VE sports models.

I've seen some pics of the of the front of the SS and the bonnet is right but cant comment on the rest. I'm guessing a chop from that pic

[XWGT]

I have read elsewhere that the new cluster for the F series HSV has a boost guage in it. Make of that what you will.

[Joe5619]

VF doesn't seem to look as good in 'sport' trim as VE does. It was lost allot of it's agressive look.

[Lardman]

Originally Posted by Brazen

Low tech? Sigh... This is the problem Aussie cars have, they have to deal with people who have no idea what they are talking about.

For goodness sake, Commodore has better fuel economy than the smaller Accord, Maxima, and Aurion. And hardly any of the 6 cylinder imports have direct injection like the Commodore has.

Even the HSV's with their 'ancient' pushrod tech seem to do pretty well.

Originally Posted by XWGT

I have read elsewhere that the new cluster for the F series HSV has a boost guage in it. Make of that what you will.

GM have been testing a Twin Turbo V6 in the Cadillac ATS, so take that as you will.

[mik]

i would agree the revamp is mostly eye candy, but there is some substance to it, to me the best feature is probably head up display, but the lane warning ,low speed crash alert, i wouldn`t rely or trust them anyway,
some of the changes are over due, cruise on the steering wheel.....el falcon stuff.
pandora music internet? not something i`d use, nor i suspect 99% of people
parking assist, probably a good thing, not something i`d use though.
alloy boot and bonnet adds 10 % fuel reduction, seems a bit pie in the sky to me
some of the body changes it needed , the rear end was dingo ugly before, nothing here would see me run out with my cheque book over a falcon,
some of the light interior colors , will you need sunny`s i reckon, need to have some good road tests to make a fair assessment.

[Lardman]

Originally Posted by mik

i would agree the revamp is mostly eye candy, but there is some substance to it, to me the best feature is probably head up display, but the lane warning ,low speed crash alert, i wouldn`t rely or trust them anyway,
some of the changes are over due, cruise on the steering wheel.....el falcon stuff.
pandora music internet? not something i`d use, nor i suspect 99% of people
parking assist, probably a good thing, not something i`d use though.
alloy boot and bonnet adds 10 % fuel reduction, seems a bit pie in the sky to me
some of the body changes it needed , the rear end was dingo ugly before, nothing here would see me run out with my cheque book over a falcon,
some of the light interior colors , will you need sunny`s i reckon, need to have some good road tests to make a fair assessment.

Quite a few people I know have replaced their itunes library with Pandora or the version Telstra let you stream for free.

Alloy boot and bonnet also improve driving dynamic. Dropping a fair bit of weight from the extremities of the car centralises weight distribution and also as mentioned, assists with fuel reduction. So do improved aero features.

Only thing I don't like is the electric handbrake & steering, really - but you can't win em all.

[lowfly]

Here is the VF SS in white, well probably pretty close to the real thing anyway.

[stevz]

I like it. Reminds me a lot of this

[bigwil]

Originally Posted by stevz

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I like it. Reminds me a lot of this

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The front reminds me of a i30 korean car

[Mighty Reds]

Maybe take the corvette emblem off the wheels.

[Nikked]

That Jaguar XFR-S looks good in white...

[PridenJoy]

Originally Posted by stevz

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I like it. Reminds me a lot of this

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Ah yeh. I can see the similarities. Both white, both have black wheels.


Good one.