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06-02-2008, 09:00 PM | #31 | ||
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But couldn't the same be said when your referring to those passengers driving around instead of being in the same car? Because if those passengers in the car would be egging the person on behind the wheel what would they be doing in there own car?
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06-02-2008, 09:32 PM | #34 | |||
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Sticking up for P platers this time! Knee jerk reaction once again because it sounds like a good thing rather than it really is.
Your 1 mate in the seat next to you can be just as good at being the peer pressure as a group in the back! Having your mates following, 2 in each car can be great fun for sure! Yeah no peer pressure there! Rules that look good but are yet to be proven. Quote:
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06-02-2008, 09:38 PM | #35 | ||
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Great Rule as it will stop cars full of teenagers getting killed in one accident.
And while they are at it raise the age a person can start to drive to 18 because 16 is just way to young (still kids). And no you younger members will not understand until you are older though even some older people never really Mature : |
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06-02-2008, 09:42 PM | #37 | |||
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maybe i should finish off what i started when i was coming up for ideas for P-plater license stages???? |
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06-02-2008, 09:43 PM | #38 | |||
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Spliting a cab fare 4 ways would probably come out about the same as 4 lots of petrol/running costs for the night....
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06-02-2008, 09:48 PM | #40 | |||
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So you are saying that 2 cars with 2 drunk drivers is better than 1 with 4? Are you saying that 4 21 year old drunk drivers in a car doesnt happen? | [/url] |
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06-02-2008, 09:59 PM | #42 | |||
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"More driver training" is probably the weakest suggestion ive heard... there's mountains of driver ed courses avaliable to all of us all the time... The problem is not driver training, its really come down to putting in laws to protect the innocent (and stupid) from the stupid... In effect removing as much opportunity to stuff up as possible...
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06-02-2008, 10:03 PM | #43 | ||
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Was totally against this idea, but if some sort of restriction was to be put in place then this would be the one to do.
Hopefully, it dosen't cause more problems than it fixes, with more inexperienced P-platers on the road at night. I guess we will soon find out. Looks like I got my license just in time, I get off my P's on September 30. |
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06-02-2008, 10:04 PM | #44 | ||
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It's laws like this that make me unfurl my australian flag and start belting out the national anthem, I just love living in a free country.
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Two Cars= 1(passenger)+1(Driver) Who both ocupants have been drinking or One Car=4(Passengers)+1(Driver) where 1 is sober and the rest are drunk. Which one would you rather drive past? Personally i would prefer the 2nd option. And no, its not just 'Phew i have fixed that little problem', It is a big issue that had to be addressed and the government saw that this was the best option to reduce the road tole and they dont take the easy way out on saving lives. So what, some young 18 year olds may kick up a fuss, but at the end of the day its about saving lives and making sure that kids come home at night. The government isnt just doing this so we get angry and all worked up so they can have a laugh, i have to agree its not the best aproach, but it is only for one year and personally i would prefer to see my mates with one passenger than to see a carload of mates get killed for hooning and showing off. Last edited by daniel_rossy; 06-02-2008 at 11:02 PM. |
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07-02-2008, 09:06 AM | #48 | |||
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I agree there's nothing wrong with pushing the awareness of driver training, but lets face it, you can teach them all the skills in the world but if they push the envelope too far it won't mean squat... and you're right, stupid people will do stupid things regardless of how well they're trained. Lets be honest here, with the exception of being an innocent 3rd party victim how many young people that die on our roads were obeying the road rules, speed limits or just common sense? my guess is very few if any... cars don't just run off the road into stationary objects for no reason.
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07-02-2008, 09:40 AM | #49 | ||
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My 2 bobs worth, lower age of start of " L" s , Increase legal drinking age to 20, this gives larger span of hopefully alcohol free driving. The passenger limitation has some merit, but cant see it working. Restricts the 18 year old that may have to p/u siblings from school etc. As a driver of 44 years on the road Ive seen a lot of what if scenarios by numerous governments that have failed, and this will also be in that same catagory. Licence gradings should increase when advanced driving courses have been under taken, and insurance premiums graded on the same criteria. It would be a win win situation for all parties.
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07-02-2008, 10:11 AM | #50 | |||
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Yes I am looking at this from an older person perspective & also as the Father of a 17 yo & yes I would have hated the Law changes I am suggesting when I was 17 etc however as you get older you see things more clearly & realise letting 16 year olds drive vehicles is just wrong. Of course you younger people will say all sorts of things including well I need transport to get to school or work, well what did you do when you were 15 or 14 to get around & not all people even at 25 or older have a drivers license (a friend of my Wifes is an example) as he lived in Sydney & just did not need one. In the Country use your Parents or friends Parents or Buses as you did before you could drive lol As for the 1 passenger rule it should be only 1 passenger no matter what age of passenger until you are off P's however 1 Passenger can rev you up to do silly things just as easy as 4 though if you do crash are only 2 bodies instead of 5. |
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07-02-2008, 12:06 PM | #51 | |||
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I have only done stupid stuff when there is a couple of other p plater cars around. Couple of mates with Commos and Falcons and you are asking for trouble. When I'm deso I'm not doing anything stupid because I'm too busy trying to get home and crack a beer myself. Not to mention it's pretty hard to rip a good burnout with three big fat mates in the back. I was watching Sunrise this morning and some Vicroads bloke reckoned it would save 100 lives a year. What a load of crock!! He also said it would reduce the road toll by approximately 3%. "Statistics are often simply made up, 27% of people know that!" |
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07-02-2008, 12:08 PM | #52 | ||
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raise learner age would be going backwards , earlier would be better we need a combination of all the ideas more training, more parental guidence and responsibility . i think in general kids are let run wild . with no responsibility and noone to stop them. it is getting worse and i dont think any laws will change the growing bad trends.
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07-02-2008, 01:57 PM | #53 | ||
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i reckon the p plate passenger law is a joke. all i can see coming from this is people not displaying p plates and getting fined for it. doesn't worry me, but what about the younger people trying to be responsible and being the designated driver? these laws might look better if we had some public transport infrastructure that actually worked, but this is silly.
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07-02-2008, 02:45 PM | #54 | ||
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look in all seriousness, we're all bound by certain laws... in the end, what is whinging about it going to do ? it's a LAW now, there's not much getting out of it. Just wear it for 12 months, and then it's gone. Not a huge deal.
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07-02-2008, 05:56 PM | #55 | |||
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There are so many rules and regulations being introduced at the moment that are just so hit and miss with no thought. It is just a band aid solution that looks good on the surface and the majority just go along blindly saying "Oh that wil fix it!". If it drops accidents and fatalities by less than 1% it will be well worth it and I just hope it has an impact ...... | [/url] |
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07-02-2008, 06:31 PM | #56 | |||
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07-02-2008, 10:15 PM | #58 | |||
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haha, so true, like on chasers how they showed a reply video of Today tonight, they said too many teens were using illegal drugs, and at the end it said that 47% of youths are drug dealers. :hihi: |
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