AMEP have sacked the Victorian arm of the party.

[ronnyBB]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

Nothing against Ricky but I'm certainly glad I didn't waste a vote on this crowd......

Certainly rather waste a vote with them than any other mug

[pajoda]

Originally Posted by Wretched

Radio interview
http://soundcloud.com/774-abc-melbou...oins-jon-faine

I turned off at 6:00, that was embarrassing. Media training required for all of them. Get your act together and don't be baited by a journalist.

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by ronnyBB

Certainly rather waste a vote with them than any other mug

It's your vote, do what you like with it mate...........

[Elks]

Originally Posted by Wretched

Radio interview
http://soundcloud.com/774-abc-melbou...oins-jon-faine

Dear God!!

Im on the record as being a supporter of these people as I am to my bones a Motoring Enthusiast. However, I have become further and further concerned these people are actually going to set us back not advance our cause. Keith Littler works in the media, he should know better, that was just embarrassing. For Keith, the AMEP, anyone who listened and pretty much all of us.

And where is Ricky Muir??? Media training boot camp? Rehab? Taken by an evil pack Kangaroos?

If the last few years in politics has taught us anything, Parliament is not a place for people who want to avoid the spotlight.

Ricky Muir is going to be a part of a group of 8 Senators who hold the balance of power in this country and influence how the whole country is run. I'm sure they are as surprised as we are they got in, but they are there now.

The fact is Ricky, Keith and the AMEP CHOSE to represent us in a public forum, asked for our vote, got enough to get in and have since gone to ground.

Thats not good enough.

my 2c

[Elks]

Originally Posted by Lotte

Or tell the AMEP to sod off and stand as an independent.
Which would reveal where the issues in that party really lie.

You can't do that as it's a Senate seat, so it's allocated to a party not an individual. Ricky can resign, but the party (AMEP) the has to put forward another candidate.

Whats the betting Keith Littler trys to move to Victoria?

[BadMax]

I'm a paid up member but haven't received any notification.

I think that interview was handled relatively ok by Keith. you've got remember these shock jocks will do anything to discredit a person while on air. To be honest, the Jock from what I understand as trying to dig dirty so he could throw it back in their face.

Are people really that desperate to know all about Ricky Muir or is part of the media trying to discredit him before he starts? Why do we need to know about his training, is it even relevant?

Has anyone ever experienced the wrath of an ex-employee? This appears what this McDonald character is about, maybe getting his five minutes of fame before he disappears off the radar.

[karj]

Originally Posted by Elks

You can't do that as it's a Senate seat, so it's allocated to a party not an individual. Ricky can resign, but the party (AMEP) the has to put forward another candidate.

Whats the betting Keith Littler trys to move to Victoria?

I could be wrong about this, but my understanding of the Constitution is that the AMEP cannot sack Ricky Muir as a senator. They could choose to disendorse him, but that would be a pointless strategy on their part because he would still serve the remainder of his 6 year term, but as an independent. If the senate position was to become vacant through Muir resigning, then he would be replaced by a member of the same party.

My analysis is that the Queensland executive are attempting to exert greater control and power over their newly elected Victorian senator. The strategy would be to surround Muir with people from the Queensland branch or 'mates' of the Queensland branch such that Muir becomes a puppet controlled by the party executive or chooses to resign, which would clear the path for the position to be filled by Littler.

[MrMaestro]

Originally Posted by BadMax

I think that interview was handled relatively ok by Keith. you've got remember these shock jocks will do anything to discredit a person while on air. To be honest, the Jock from what I understand as trying to dig dirty so he could throw it back in their face.

Jon Faine could not be further from a shock jock. He's an intellectual and doesn't let up on his questioning, and because of that he often comes across as a bit of a bastard. But he asks the hard questions and he's never discourteous. What part of his line of questioning did you think was out of line?

I think Littler handled it very badly. As it went on he sounded more and more like a petulant teenager. I half expected a "no duh" in there somewhere.

[pottery beige]

he was all over old mate like a cheap suit

[SantoAU]

democracy - it just doesn't work

[Lotte]

Originally Posted by Elks

You can't do that as it's a Senate seat, so it's allocated to a party not an individual. Ricky can resign, but the party (AMEP) the has to put forward another candidate.

Whats the betting Keith Littler trys to move to Victoria?

I was under the impression he could quit the party, but retain the seat because the votes went to him (not the other bloke on the ballot for amep in Victoria), cheers for the clarification.

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by SantoAU

democracy - it just doesn't work

Its the wost form of Government, apart from all the others we've tried.

[damoose]

Me thinks a wise old owl on these forums kinda predicted that this would happen
Aint that right. Rightwaychuck!

[buggerlugs]

"Ricky is to busy to talk"..............that cracked me up..........

[Franco Cozzo]

All I hear is John Faine baiting him into an argument, its obvious all these guys have no idea on how to deal with the media, they probably didn't think they would win and now the media is out to get them.

If anyone of us was on the end of the phone with ol Johhny boy, it probably wouldn't end too fantastically either.

[GQ_Smooth]

Great now I feel like a d1ck for wasting my vote on this rabble.


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[monte.b]

Originally Posted by Lotte

I was under the impression he could quit the party, but retain the seat because the votes went to him (not the other bloke on the ballot for amep in Victoria), cheers for the clarification.

He can quit the party and still be a senator ,he was elected not his party ,like lots of others have done in the past

[Elks]

Originally Posted by Lotte

I was under the impression he could quit the party, but retain the seat because the votes went to him (not the other bloke on the ballot for amep in Victoria), cheers for the clarification.

That is true for the House of Representatives, but the Senate is different

[SPArKy_Dave]

Don't be too quick to judge.
They're obviously struggling with the issues caused by the Victorian dudes.
Give them time to sort themselves out.
Remember, less than 4mths ago, they didn't even exist. They probably don't yet have much in the way of resources, to hire media coaches and the like.

Producing Grunt files, doesn't really count as training for Political Media experience I don't think.

I'm going to follow what's happening with a keen interest, and offer them support if I can be helpful.
Let's not attack members of our own family here.

[karj]

PALMER United Party senators will form a voting alliance with Australian Motoring Enthusiast Party senator Ricky Muir.

Fairfax Media reports PUP leader Clive Palmer has agreed to vote with the AMEP senator, who will represent Victoria in the Senate.

The partnership between PUP's three senators and Mr Muir is expected to be announced in Sydney on Thursday.

Mr Palmer would not confirm or deny the reports but said the agreement would be something signed "between us together that we will work together and vote together as a team".

"I am sure it will be a sign of solidarity so we have good government in Australia, predictability and certainty - that's what people want," the Queensland billionaire told the ABC.

Mr Palmer says the other figure in this partnership will remain in their own party "...because we believe in diversity and I am sure we will be a strong team together," he said.

A recount is under way in the seat of Fairfax, where Mr Palmer ran against LNP opponent Ted O'Brien.

So what do you guys who voted for AMEP make of this latest announcement?

Are you happy about it and would you have still voted for AMEP if you realised that they would deliver Clive Palmer greater control of the senate?

Speculation on my part, but this could be the key policy difference that Littler mentioned when he anounced the sacking of the Victorian AMEP branch. Perhaps the Victorian branch wasn't as comfortable as the Queensland executive with a partnership with the Queensland based Palmer United Party...

My observation is that there seems to be an unusually large Queensland influence in the composition of this senate, which is a problem because the senate is the states' house and meant to be composed of proportional state and territory representatives.

[pajoda]

Better than greater control, think that now gives PUP the balance of power in the Senate. Not sure what is scarier, Abbott as PM, or Clive with the balance of Power in the senate.

[csv8]

Clive will make Parliament entertaining!!!

[BHDOGS]

Yup Palmers first step tax breaks for billionaires and mining company he will certainly be the people's candidate not

[EDManual]

Hope they can bring accessible motorsport venues to all! Start with geelong. They may be able to make themselves heard. May be a good thing?

[DJR-351]

http://www.australianmotoringenthusi...ty.org.au/news

Posted by Tony Standfield · October 10, 2013 9:38 AM

Media release

Australian Motoring Enthusiast Party Consolidates Support

The Australian Motoring Enthusiast Party (AMEP) Senator-elect Ricky Muir today said his party had signed a memorandum of understanding to work together and vote in line with the Palmer United Party in the Senate.

Mr Muir, from Central Gippsland in Victoria, said he was determined to get a better deal for his party’s constituents by joining with the Palmer United Party’s elected Senators Glenn Lazarus (Queensland), Jacqui Lambie (Tasmania) and Dio Wang (Western Australia).

“Voting as a united team and working together with the Palmer United Party means we will have a stronger voice in the Senate,” he said.

“This means I can serve my constituents more effectively.

“With three extra Senators working together, I will be able to achieve more than I would have on my own for the people of Victoria and Australia.”

Mr Muir said with the Palmer United Party and the AMEP holding the balance of power in the Senate, the Government needed to provide adequate resources to ensure good government was achieved.

“The Palmer United Party Senators are happy to support our motoring policies, allowing us to maximise our influence with motoring legislation,” Mr Muir said.

[cs123]

Originally Posted by karj

My observation is that there seems to be an unusually large Queensland influence in the composition of this senate, which is a problem because the senate is the states' house and meant to be composed of proportional state and territory representatives.

The greens had a pretty large influence over the last senate and I would not describe them as representing all states.

Likewise the labor nsw right have a major influence over the entire ALP. The ALP member have no ability to act in their states interest at all. They just vote to party lines.

Not saying that Clive isn't a nutter but all parties have some central influence.

[noflac52]

It seems that some of the concerns of that interviewer have already been addressed as the AMEP are negotiating with other senators elect. All political parties do their negotiating privately and give media releases when it suits them rather than have the media dictate to them what they should be doing. It hasn't been any different here! Why did he need to know right then. There is still plenty of time for negotiation and media releases before the new senators take up their positions.

After hearing the interviewer using a rather condescending tone from the outset of the interview I can understand why Littler was a little terse with him. He may be an intellectual interviewer but that does not change the fact that he wanted to paint the AMEP in a certain way on air right from the start and a lot of posters here believe him LOL!
His job is to create conflict and doubt and to sensationalise things. He is a radio interviewer. He's not even a semi important cog in the wheel of politics in our country and people start bagging the AMEP again because of his opinion.

Its the old chestnut again. If I say it loud enough for long enough and enough people believe me eventually it will become true. "A self fulfilling prophecy". These radio jocks do it all the time and it amazes me that after all this time so many people don't even question their motives. Its called ratings!

[bungarra]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

Yup Palmers first step tax breaks for billionaires and mining company he will certainly be the people's candidate not

Actually Clive Palmers First step is to reduce income tax by 15% and get rid of provisional tax but doesn't obviously suit your belief.

How about seeing how AMEP do when they enter the Senate and see how the Alliance with PUP goes? We know the power house parties and their minnions are upset that their Senate system that was designed in the 1980's to retain power between the big three was used to effect against them.

Great to see democracy in action. Personally, having representatives other than the ALP, Lib/Nats and Greens actually makes the Senate a true house of review, something that scares major parties as they become answerable.

[BHDOGS]

Reduce Income tax who could that help perhaps the wealthiest people first then the rest of the slobs wow what a generous man he is shame all that lost revenue will mean cuts to
Services but hey what's best for Australia pffft

[pajoda]

Originally Posted by bungarra

Actually Clive Palmers First step is to reduce income tax by 15% and get rid of provisional tax but doesn't obviously suit your belief.

How about seeing how AMEP do when they enter the Senate and see how the Alliance with PUP goes? We know the power house parties and their minnions are upset that their Senate system that was designed in the 1980's to retain power between the big three was used to effect against them.

Great to see democracy in action. Personally, having representatives other than the ALP, Lib/Nats and Greens actually makes the Senate a true house of review, something that scares major parties as they become answerable.

You can't create laws from the senate, they start in the house of reps, once approved there it goes to the Senate, he has stopping power via his minions though.

Abbott will be livid with this, went to all the trouble of giving preferences to Labor before the greens to avoid this situation.