Hulk Friday! Future desirable falcons..I6t/Miami V8 only?

[Mont5.0]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Obviously the halo cars, but what about the BF2 GHIA in V8 guise.

Very few V8's built, easily the best front styling on a non performance Ford in the last 20 years.
Modern day ESP?

Why they never offered it with the i6T is beyond me.

Because grandpas don't like the I6T..

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Mont5.0

Because grandpas don't like the I6T..

Umm...G6ET?

[Bushbasher]

G6ET is because the grandpas have had 10 years to get used to the idea of a turbo 6 and it's now a proven weapon.

[82XD393.3v]

to ignore the f6 in general would be foolish they are the best around performance car ford australia have made. Aussie inline 6 with the goodies. the gt f will definately be a collector car, black edition and rspecs

[xisled]

With the turbo cars, F6 and XR6T I can see history repeating itself. But instead of VL Turbo it will be XR6T and F6, in 1o years every boy racer that is over the age of 21 will have modify them, the market will sky rocket for clean examples and modified examples. Once people are over them the price will drop.

I think anything with the Badge GT will make the money.

[strobe]

I think there will be a special place for utes. They're supposedly aussie icons, and they're being killed off. They're pretty unique, while there's plenty of other hi-po sedans about the place. Not that I'm saying the limited editions won't be worth something. But for me, I'd take a Pursuit 250.

Unfortunately, I won't live long enough for my ratty BA XR8 to be worth anything more than about $8.50 and a half chewed mars bar.

[Itsme]

Any RWC falcon that survives to a the age of being a classic car will be collectible.

[HULK_I6T]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

I don't think outright performance has any relevance to future value. Otherwise XC Cobra's especially the 302's and XB Gt's would only be worth scrap metal value, a standard base model 6 cylinder FG will embarrass both performance wise over all.
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Think back to Holden and what happened to them..

The Holden v8 was the last Holden v8, Australian tradition etc etc.. People said they would be collectible.. Then the ls1 came which was on a whole new performance level than the Holden V8.... The Holden v8 faded into history without a goodbye.

The old v8 fords were only really collectible because ford stopped making them.. The. They re released the v8 in 1991 but with HO-hum performance... Collectors looked back to the hero car the GTHO.. As it was the fastest.

Then as they were few and far between they looked for the next best etc...ESP, regular GT etc etc..

But it's performance which sets out the list of collectible to least collectible..

Looking forward.... It's going to be the hero car / performance kind that will be sought after..

It's I6 Turbo or Miami V8... Anything else will fade away like the Holden 5.0 V8 did.

[EFFalcon]

All assuming government regulation allows us to 'enjoy' them.

[LoudPipes]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

Think back to Holden and what happened to them..

The Holden v8 was the last Holden v8, Australian tradition etc etc.. People said they would be collectible.. Then the ls1 came which was on a whole new performance level than the Holden V8.... The Holden v8 faded into history without a goodbye.

The old v8 fords were only really collectible because ford stopped making them.. The. They re released the v8 in 1991 but with HO-hum performance... Collectors looked back to the hero car the GTHO.. As it was the fastest.

Then as they were few and far between they looked for the next best etc...ESP, regular GT etc etc..

But it's performance which sets out the list of collectible to least collectible..

Looking forward.... It's going to be the hero car / performance kind that will be sought after..

It's I6 Turbo or Miami V8... Anything else will fade away like the Holden 5.0 V8 did.

You sound like a person that collects engines not cars.

If you look at car collections and owners of collectable cars as a whole both here and overseas you'll find a very different story.

[Grippy]

T3 TE/TS50's for me, last of the windsors worldwide with a bunch of unique one off parts.

[Falcon SXR8]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

Think back to Holden and what happened to them..

The Holden v8 was the last Holden v8, Australian tradition etc etc.. People said they would be collectible.. Then the ls1 came which was on a whole new performance level than the Holden V8.... The Holden v8 faded into history without a goodbye.

The old v8 fords were only really collectible because ford stopped making them.. The. They re released the v8 in 1991 but with HO-hum performance... Collectors looked back to the hero car the GTHO.. As it was the fastest.

Then as they were few and far between they looked for the next best etc...ESP, regular GT etc etc..

But it's performance which sets out the list of collectible to least collectible..

Looking forward.... It's going to be the hero car / performance kind that will be sought after..

It's I6 Turbo or Miami V8... Anything else will fade away like the Holden 5.0 V8 did.

Give it time, remember the phase 3s ect all went through a stage they were worth a carton of vb. 90s model cars are not old enough yet, there probably at there worst really so its abit early to say no one will ever want a windsor/holden v8. And I have noticed your precious ls1 is starting to hit that stage now were people are saying don't bother, too gutless, get something newer ect. How much is a ls1 vt worth??? Nothing. Most cars bottom out at a couple of grand and then the sort after, desirable ones start to go up from there.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

Think back to Holden and what happened to them..

The Holden v8 was the last Holden v8, Australian tradition etc etc.. People said they would be collectible.. Then the ls1 came which was on a whole new performance level than the Holden V8.... The Holden v8 faded into history without a goodbye.

The old v8 fords were only really collectible because ford stopped making them.. The. They re released the v8 in 1991 but with HO-hum performance... Collectors looked back to the hero car the GTHO.. As it was the fastest.

Then as they were few and far between they looked for the next best etc...ESP, regular GT etc etc..

But it's performance which sets out the list of collectible to least collectible..

Looking forward.... It's going to be the hero car / performance kind that will be sought after..

It's I6 Turbo or Miami V8... Anything else will fade away like the Holden 5.0 V8 did.

Anything from Tickford or FPV - yes. And that does include the awesome F6
A standard non FPV i6T won't be worth the walk over to look at it . Truth hurts.......ouch

[HULK_I6T]

Originally Posted by Falcon SXR8

How much is a ls1 vt worth??? Nothing. Most cars bottom out at a couple of grand and then the sort after, desirable ones start to go up from there.

A ls1 VT is worth nothing as most have 250000km and ready for the junk yard..

Mine has less km than some new cars.. It ain't no average VT lol

[Kryton]

Your a special kind of special.

[HULK_I6T]

Originally Posted by Bluey-GT

Anything from Tickford or FPV - yes. And that does include the awesome F6
A standard non FPV i6T won't be worth the walk over to look at it . Truth hurts.......ouch

Tickfords are only worth anything to other tickford owners. I was in traffic today with a girl from work who was saying she was looking for a new car. A tickford xr8 turned in front of us through a roundabout.. I said, grab one of those they look ok. She laughed and said she wouldn't be seen as a passenger in that old bomb let alone own one. She thought I was poking fun at her. Whilst I don't agree with her views on the tickford cars, that's what the general non ford enthusiast thinks of them.

I put the non fpv i6t pretty much on par with the f6 for future desirability. Collectors will be looking for the iconic motor, not the fpv starter button.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

I put the non fpv i6t pretty much on par with the f6 for future desirability. Collectors will be looking for the iconic motor, not the fpv starter button.

Ok Mr iconic.....put your money where your mouth is.
I'll make you a small wager.
So let it be written , so let it be done.
Let's re visit this thread in say 5 years time.
If a BFXR6 turbo has the same market value as a BF F6 or BFGT ( cars are in similar condition - well looked after and similar Klm - within reason and all other things being similar in terms of road worthiness etc ) or a FG XR6T is equal value to a FGF6 or FG GT Boss 335 - I'll buy you your next 2 full tanks of petrol and a bottle of octane boost in case your car is pinging its head off by then.....
After all desirability drives the demand which drives the $$$.
You have made a firm statement that the non FPV i6t will be on par with the F6.
So put up or shut up. If you're so confident in your crystal ball , and you seem to be very confident , you'll score 800klms of driving for free and by that time petrol might be well over $2.00 per litre , so this wager will be worth well over $200.00. I'll even consider chucking in an FPV starter button for ya If I can find a spare one. . After all it's just an FPV starter button , not worth much , should be easy to source and will be dirt cheap

[apolloxbgt]

Originally Posted by Falcon SXR8

Give it time, remember the phase 3s ect all went through a stage they were worth a carton of vb. 90s model cars are not old enough yet, there probably at there worst really so its abit early to say no one will ever want a windsor/holden v8. And I have noticed your precious ls1 is starting to hit that stage now were people are saying don't bother, too gutless, get something newer ect. How much is a ls1 vt worth??? Nothing. Most cars bottom out at a couple of grand and then the sort after, desirable ones start to go up from there.

Not true, p3s are the exception to the rule and were worth more than a new xagt at the time . They were never beer money.

[HULK_I6T]

Originally Posted by Bluey-GT

Ok Mr iconic.....put your money where your mouth is.
I'll make you a small wager.
So let it be written , so let it be done.
Let's re visit this thread in say 5 years time.
If a BFXR6 turbo has the same market value as a BF F6 or BFGT ( cars are in similar condition - well looked after and similar Klm - within reason and all other things being similar in terms of road worthiness etc ) or a FG XR6T is equal value to a FGF6 or FG GT Boss 335 - I'll buy you your next 2 full tanks of petrol and a bottle of octane boost in case your car is pinging its head off by then.....
After all desirability drives the demand which drives the $$$.
You have made a firm statement that the non FPV i6t will be on par with the F6.
So put up or shut up. If you're so confident in your crystal ball , and you seem to be very confident , you'll score 800klms of driving for free and by that time petrol might be well over $2.00 per litre , so this wager will be worth well over $200.00. I'll even consider chucking in an FPV starter button for ya If I can find a spare one. . After all it's just an FPV starter button , not worth much , should be easy to source and will be dirt cheap......

I'll tell you what "on par" will mean.. A collector will gladly grab a non fpv i6t as an alternative to a mint f6 not being available in years to come.. Statements were made earlier that non fpv i6t cars would be worth crumbs.. Sure the fpv car will be more desirable like for like but in years to come when they become scarce, collectors will gladly grab a non fpv i6t as a credible alternative.. They will overlook the lack of fpv starter button and accept the same drivetrain.

If you think a bf GT will become a credible alternative to a lack of Miami boss 335 GT's available, well your going to be devastated in years to come.

[Whitey-AMG]

So Hulky. Is that a YES or a NO.

[SensationFG8]

Bf GT will be worth more than an xr6t, looks alone make it worth more.

[F6-631]

All V8 and 6T's FPV's will be worth dollars if they are maintained and k's are kept low.


In 5 years I believe the number of low km's (under 50,000 ) no mods will half due to right offs and housos/bogos destroying them... Anyone that looks after their car will see the value level out and stop dropping and slowly start to raise...I'm not stating you can make a million bucks but much more % wise than a XR6T or XR8 in the same condition/k's

Cheers

Last-F6

[HULK_I6T]

Originally Posted by Bluey-GT

So Hulky. Is that a YES or a NO.

Come back in 10 years time and I'll gladly put my BF xr6t up against your BF GT, let's see which commands more in the market??

[99AUXR]

^ Well thats just silly the GT of course.

[HULK_I6T]

Originally Posted by 99AUXR

^ Well thats just silly the GT of course.

We will see.... Lucky if my car will have 15,000-20,000km by then..has under 8000km now and never gets driven, still original tyres and smells brand new.

The BF GT might see 10 times those km (if it hasn't already).

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

Come back in 10 years time and I'll gladly put my BF xr6t up against your BF GT, let's see which commands more in the market??

Well , let's see what that might look like in 10 years time by looking back 10 years time. These 10/11 year old cars are still plentiful , so buyers have a good choice , the market is clear on price :

BA XR6 turbo - range from 9k - 15k
BA FPV GT - range from 19k - 30k
BA typhoon - range from 16k - 27k
Unless something miraculous happens , I can't see this trend changing for BF or FG either.

Do you even keep your cars for 10 years for me to collect on this wager....
You seem to turn them over quite regularly.

[99AUXR]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

We will see.... Lucky if my car will have 15,000-20,000km by then..has under 8000km now and never gets driven, still original tyres and smells brand new.

The BF GT might see 10 times those km (if it hasn't already).

Hmm depreciations sucks even more so when you don't drive it.
Had my F6 just over a month and done 4000 awesome Km in it.

In NZ those prices would be
BF XR6T 11-17k
BF GT 27-35k
BF F6 28-35k

And yes a car will have to have allot less KM for a lower spec variant to command a higher price than the likes of an FPV. But as long as the FPV isnt to high in km e.g over 150,000 I think you will probably find it will command a higher price.

[PepeLePew]

This thread will obviously contain two types of people. Those that genuinely try and step back from what they own and preconceived notions and fire up the mental crystal ball. Otherwise we have those that made up their mind before they even read it and/or are canted in their thinking by what they may own. Hulk it'd be nice and more conversation inspiring if you didn't start these threads as hypotheticals and then spend the balance taking a prove me wrong stance and attempt driving them to the conclusion you wanted.

[99AUXR]

Originally Posted by PepeLePew

Hulk it'd be nice and more conversation inspiring if you didn't start these threads as hypotheticals and then spend the balance taking a prove me wrong stance and attempt driving them to the conclusion you wanted.

Hulk Friday threads are currently in Beta.

[HULK_I6T]

I'll tell you what your not banking on...

The Miami boss 335 absolutely embarrasses the boss5.4. Buyers of the premium GT (boss335/351) will not settle on the mediocre boss 5.4 (relatively speaking to the Miami).. Like looking at a Atari 2600 machine next to a xbox1

But the i6 turbo has been dominant since BA, moreso in BF and then the fg has continued with the proven formula.. Essentially these models are substitutes for one another... All credible performance alternatives, xr6t, g6et or f6 are relatively very very similar, none are embarrassed.. Not like the 5.4 boss next to the Miami.

In years to come this will come to the fore...

In 10 years or so let's find out the hard way