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Twas also an ancient catholic symbol, this is perhaps for Mythbuster.
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forgetting all the connotations etc, the Swastika is a GOOD looking symbol.
it looks great IMO. BUT, it represented German facism, white power etc etc. Being half german, im not exactly proud of whate germany did in the war, and it is a shame that the symbol became so evil. whatever... i think there are much worse things than having someone display a swastika on their car. Burning the Australian flag for example? also one more thing. the swastika, before rotated, also represented the 4 L's. luck, love, light and life.
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censorship is a dangerous thing.... Hitler was accused of it in WWII, yet these days how are our governments any different? It's ironic that the German Government is the most hypocritical of them all!! They do everything in their power to supress everything from freedom of speech to a flag an individual wants to bare...Hell its illegal to even fly the German flag above your home over there.
Anyway, there is nothing wrong with being proud to be "proud" and if I want to wear the southern cross on my clothes or car or whatever and someone else wants to wear the swastika on his car...so be it mate |
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Different symbols mean different things to different people. We all despise what the swastika has come to "symbolise". Yet if you were to travel to the occupied territories (ie palestine) you find that the star of david has a similar meaning to them. Ironic really.
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There are some interesting points raised here. At what point does freedom of speech end and sensorship start? There are plenty of symbols out there that are worn or displayed either as a statement of pride through to an "up yours" type of gesture. Do we allow a total "free for all" or do we follow the Victorian Govt's lead and take political correctness to the extreme. Social engineering is a dangerous thing.
Personally I believe in freedom of speech but that there is a kind of cosmic karmic force. I believe the saying "what goes around, comes around" is true. This guy is asking for trouble and it'll come to him in some form or another. I don't want to be told I can't display something but neither would I do so if I knew it was THAT offensive. As the big man once said: "Why are people so unkind?"
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i think one of the major issues world wide is trying not to offend some group or race. while we have different races, religions, political beliefs there will always be someone somewhere offended by some words or antics by another.
whoever it is that has that symbol on their bonnet is making a statement. unfortunetly that person is offending others. i get offended everyday by the antics or words of a lot of people but i get over it. |
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The Monty, I don't want to get involved in any arguments either.
Anything taken to it's extreme can be a bad thing. Here in the States there is a huge movement to be careful to not offend anyone. Sorry, there are some people that will be offended at something and that is ok because they are wrong on that point to begin with (no reference or relavence to you). It is to the point where some simple things are no longer permitted in the work place. What do I mean by some people being wrong? In this day offending someone has got so bad a man can be fired for smiling and saying "hello" to a woman if she feels you had "alternative motives" for doing so. How pathetic is that? The paranoia on the part of this woman should not be considered an offensive act performed by the cordial man. Many people will bring up the issue between free speech and censorship as if there is nothing else. There is something else, and as with any freedom comes responsibility. There is a law in the US that says you cannot yell "Fire!" in a public place unless there is a fire. Otherwise this encites panic and can cause injury or death. Is this censorship? No, just being responsible. If someone wants to paint a swastika on their hood and then try to charge the people that beats them up with assault, I say forget it. As the law says, any reasonable person would expect such an act to encite others to violence. It is being irresponsible. Steve
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If I find the saucer that followers of some religions wear on there heads offensive they should take them off? The swastika has meaning in other cultures,that relates not one bit to nazism. those that want to display it should be able to do so,with out fear of being assaulted or they're property damaged. Those that call for tolerance should also practise it... |
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Having it on their car is paramount to someone having "I'm a pedophile and I like your children" written on their car. Is it illegal? No. Is it justification for assault or damage? No. Do people have to accept it and treat this individual with anything other than disdain and contempt.. NO. Now it just may be that the word "pedophile" may mean "carer of children" in some foreign country and is not how we understand it.. but in this western society there are certian things that people who live here should be aware of (or be made aware of) so that misunderstandings and untrue judgements do not happen. Its called common sense.
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Such practices that are actually quite common in some countries are not considered acceptable over here (example: It is actually quite acceptable to spit in public in Spain.. over here that is considered unacceptable). It is not the immigrants fault that they are not aware however people should try to make an effort to let them know (nicely). If, after that, they choose to continue with it well aware of its unsociable nature... well I guess they are taking the risk of some sort of unpleasantness or argument happening (how would you react is someone spat on your car?).
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Nugget378, interesting point. Here is the response to that.
I don't know how it is in Australia but in courts here in the US the phrase "...any reasonable person..." would seem to be legal terminology for "common sense." Is there a known significant populace of people that are literally offended by the cross and with proper reason such as historical events of the use of that symbol to cause offense or repression, and I mean by the use of the symbol such as the use of the swastika in it's configuration during WW II? Is this notion widely known? If not then this accusation, that one is offended by the cross, needs some sort of proof that harm has been done. Yes, this is just an anology. If the person that owned the car had the swastika on the bonnet in a configuration other than the Nazi orientation of the symbol then that person can claim other meaning. If it is in the Nazi orientation then they cannot plead ignorance to enciting a riot. As far as "other meaning" goes, with my familiarity with Zen and Buddhism, it is commonly known that people following those philosophies or religions would not perform such a practice as to paint it on their hood. Such an act is outside of the mindset of these religions or philosophies. Steve
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I reckon the persons within that vehicle are reckless in driving a car with the nazi symbol. That could be considered hazardous to their own health. Considering the level of racial tension around at the moment they are just looking for trouble displaying such attention seeking behaviour! And chances are they have probably already found it. The poor chaps must have been "disturbed" to begin with doing such a thing. Romper Stomper went out decades ago and so did Hitler. If the persons responsible really understood they would realize they are a lost cause. I dont think this could have been a mistake because some thought went into putting the damn thing on there in the first place, just didn't think hard enough. Inconsideration rather than ignorance in my view! Ford Forums "what a great thing"!
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Something I forgot to mention in my last post. Nazi's and other "extreme" organizations can have demonstrations and voice their views in public. However, in the name of safety and respoinsibility, they need to acquire a permit for doing so in order that security can be planned and organized. Last year here in Toledo Ohio there was a Nazi rally. The year before there was a KKK rally in Cleveland Ohio and that cost the city $300,000 for security.
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I got nothing against it if it was in relation to budist's, but if its a nazi type one, i would remove it with a axe
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A section of white supremacists at the Cronulla riots thought they could hijack the Eureka Stockade flag too. It seems these right wing wackos do not have one original thought in their miniscule brains.
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