VF Holden

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by greenfoam

100kg less than a VE and 430kw is a little excessive for a highway cruiser isn't it

VF is only 40kg lighter.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

What Ford have said is that $100 Million is earmarked for efficiency and emissions improvements to take the Falcon AND Territory out to "at least the end of 2016". There has been no mention of the $$$ for the styling and content upgrade - much like Holden didnt say anything when they were developing the VF.

This is where it's a bit of a grey area, because it's the only funding they have announced. There has been no word of any extra spending on top of that, so it's hard to know what they might spend. But I gaurantee it will be nowhere near what Holden have spent. Probably not even half.

[greenfoam]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

VF is only 40kg lighter.

I'm not up with the latest engines in the VE but are they still running the iron block? Because if they are and they are using the us spec engine across the range now it might just be 100kg lighter all up. (In the ss)

[burnz]

Originally Posted by greenfoam

I'm not up with the latest engines in the VE but are they still running the iron block? Because if they are and they are using the us spec engine across the range now it might just be 100kg lighter all up. (In the ss)

all holden engines are alloy
and the same 270kw 6.0l engine will still be used.

[JPFS1]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

This is where it's a bit of a grey area, because it's the only funding they have announced. There has been no word of any extra spending on top of that, so it's hard to know what they might spend. But I gaurantee it will be nowhere near what Holden have spent. Probably not even half.

They've spoken of the efficiency measures and funding that is going to towards that as this is what is supported by Government. Holden did not talk up their funding intentions for VF either.

To be frank, I'm quite surprised that Holden have spent so much on VF when they're supposedly moving to a new platform in a few years. Recoup 500 million in a few years?? will see some red ink I think.

Falcon, we know there's crash, clays, a certain amount of new tech etc. The program is not resourced like a global program (ie T6 for example), so the operational expenditure won't be as much, but 2014 Falc will be quite a bit more than 100 million that's spoken about. If there is to be a new platform for Falcon come end of 2016, then it wouldn't be too smart to spend or put your hand out for huge somes of money for something that will run for 2 years once released. Save the $$$$ for the next big thing.

[Road_Warrior]

And don't forget, that efficiency implementation is for the Territory as well. I'd say Euro V is tied up in there somewhere given the cutoff dates are in 2016.

[DanielXR8]

Originally Posted by JPFS1

They've spoken of the efficiency measures and funding that is going to towards that as this is what is supported by Government. Holden did not talk up their funding intentions for VF either.

To be frank, I'm quite surprised that Holden have spent so much on VF when they're supposedly moving to a new platform in a few years. Recoup 500 million in a few years?? will see some red ink I think.

Falcon, we know there's crash, clays, a certain amount of new tech etc. The program is not resourced like a global program (ie T6 for example), so the operational expenditure won't be as much, but 2014 Falc will be quite a bit more than 100 million that's spoken about. If there is to be a new platform for Falcon come end of 2016, then it wouldn't be too smart to spend or put your hand out for huge somes of money for something that will run for 2 years once released. Save the $$$$ for the next big thing.

I think Holden have decided the only way to continue manufacturing in Australia is to export and the VF is the first step in getting tech of the car world competitive - hence the spend.

Unfortunately the styling of the VF SS has gone over like a lead balloon on American blogs and news sites. A hurried restyle with obligatory hood scooops and big **** spoiler wont surprise me given the American sentiment for the car.

I hope for the sake of the Australian car industry they make the Commodore work.

[DanielXR8]

Originally Posted by Bucknaked

If I was a Holden buyer, now knowing I am getting a screwed over by the very company i have loyally supported for years, buying new holdens, supporting australian jobs, I would take my money elsewhere.

If ford did the same, it would be goodbye ford, time to buy something
other than Australian Made.

It is ridiculous to think that not only as a tax payer having my dollars thrown at the feet of companies like Holden to ensure their survival, that I am forced to pay a premium for the product that my tax $$$$$ helped to build, to only have another country reap the benefit's.

Talk about getting shafted twice.

We don't know what Ford would charge for an exported Falcon to the US of course, but given they would have to price it to sell in the same competitive market as Commodore is now facing and has less standard equipment... Well I would expect it to be cheaper in the US too.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by DanielXR8

A hurried restyle with obligatory hood scooops and big **** spoiler wont surprise me given the American sentiment for the car.
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I was thinking the same thing last night....

[MethodX]

Originally Posted by Nikked

I dont get how Americans can complain about the styling...when the VF looks 1000 times better the Impala...

No screamining eagle decals.
No ripply cladding.
No hood scoops.
Not enough "blue steel"

[Ford_The_Win]

Originally Posted by MethodX

No screamining eagle decals.
No ripply cladding.
No hood scoops.
Not enough "blue steel"

And does it have cup holders that can hold a gallon of pepsi?

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by Ford_The_Win

And does it have cup holders that can hold a gallon of pepsi?

"And I want a liter of Cola!!!"

[F6E]

Originally Posted by dimka100

This article claims the Holden SS will only feature the existing 6.0 engine.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/215006/h...-v8-commodore/

So, not only will it be 30% cheaper in the US than here in Australia, it appears to be of a much higher spec' in comparison...6.2 LS3, staggered 20's, Brembos, etc.


Volume and potential market is the key. Take the new M5 for example.... $250K here in Oz, same car (but LHD) in USA is $95K....


We are a miniscule global market with a population that's 15 million less than the state of California !! = No buying power = smile, lube up and bend over ..


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[GQ_Smooth]

The price difference is varing factors, it's not all gouging. There is obvioulsy the taxes and transport costs, on top of that the support provided by the manufacturers with stock holding, premises leasing fee and staff salaries are higher here than alot of countries. In Europe or US 1 or 2 distribution centres can carry all parts reqired for a brand and have them delivered within 24hrs (even to country areas), this is not the case in Australia the investment required by dealers and manufactures as a percentage of vehichle sale is substantially higher than any other developed country (with the exception of New Zealand). Being a relatively wealthy population, we can also afford more than most other markets.

If Alfa's were sold for the same value Australia as they are in Europe, we'd see a lot more on the road than we do now. They can't match the price because the distributor/dealers would go broke not making enough margin to keep the business going or be sued to go broke for offering little to no support.

However when it comes to so-called prestige brands, there is a big chunk of gouging in the pricing even taking all those factors into account.

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by GQ_Smooth

The price difference is varing factors, it's not all gouging. There is obvioulsy the taxes and transport costs, on top of that the support provided by the manufacturers with stock holding, premises leasing fee and staff salaries are higher here than alot of countries. In Europe or US 1 or 2 distribution centres can carry all parts reqired for a brand and have them delivered within 24hrs (even to country areas), this is not the case in Australia the investment required by dealers and manufactures as a percentage of vehichle sale is substantially higher than any other developed country (with the exception of New Zealand). Being a relatively wealthy population, we can also afford more than most other markets.

If Alfa's were sold for the same value Australia as they are in Europe, we'd see a lot more on the road than we do now. They can't match the price because the distributor/dealers would go broke not making enough margin to keep the business going or be sued to go broke for offering little to no support.

However when it comes to so-called prestige brands, there is a big chunk of gouging in the pricing even taking all those factors into account.

GREAT justification of why we pay more for imported cars here , and why we build cars and sell them overseas cheaper to them . . perhaps we should buy them from America and import them here ourselves , how much would that be do you think . ?
A rip off is a rip off . There simply is no excuse for it .

[Smoke Pursuit]

Sedan and ute released on facebook.










All I can say is those wheels look more and more like G6ET wheels!

[PridenJoy]

The orange ute looks like a good piece of kit!

[dannyhilton]

Would have thought they'd at least give the tail lights a different bezel or something to differentiate it from behind. But the new front looks GREAT on the Sports Wagon. Looks very smart, and the colour was a great choice.

The UTE however, now looks a bit spongy without that tough VE front. Funnily enough it appear it's the UTE that has aged the worst, and it was the standout at launch IMHO. Though I'd love to see one with a hardtop, should make it look much cleaner.

[greenfoam]

The wagon is all class. I'm impressed with how that all fits together

[P6LTD351]

It's pretty clear that the Calais is the pick in regards to the frontal treatment. Actually underwhelmed by the SS. Probably why it wasn't used at the initial launch. Whereas the VE exuded toughness, the VF SS says 'soft'. The Calais looks tougher.

[Mighty Reds]

I think to the average person it will be a case of 'don't look no different'.

[Smoke Pursuit]

One thing I'll say is I think they should have committed to either LED DRL's or fog lights, rather then both. Looks a bit messy.

[bigwil]

Originally Posted by DASH GT

Sedan and ute released on facebook.

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All I can say is those wheels look more and more like G6ET wheels!

Is the ute painted in blood orange?

[SS_01]

The lines are all wrong, the ute and the wagon do not work. Side gills are starting to annoy me too, the more i look at them, the worse it becomes, its all in the detail.

[Giant Cranium]

when do we get to see a omega? as it will be my next ute im hoping its nice

[Elks]

The exterior doesn't do it for me. Particularly the SS the rubber bumper insert in the middle of the grille, were they thinking bumper car?

But full marks for the headlights styled after Dame Edna's glasses. How Aussie is that.

[stazza]

Not sure if anyone posted, but it's official - The V8's in SS's and SS-V will be the same 6.0l snail, meanwhile the Chev SS variant gets the 6.2l AND is 10k cheaper.

Bahaha awesome, hope Holden fails.

[Joe5619]

The colours in the ute & Wagon picture are terrible!! And even that is being nice

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by stazza

Bahaha awesome, hope Holden fails.

Well, that shows how immature you are...




I dont mind that ute...im glad that those stupid flared gaurds have gone. i wonder if yhe omega will use the larger grill, or the S type shape.

[flooded one]

that would look sweet with a trayback option!!! sadly people that want trayback utes have moved elsewhere. I know this is a ford site but I actually didn't mind the look of the VY and VZ tonners