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28-10-2012, 10:16 PM | #61 | |||
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28-10-2012, 10:21 PM | #62 | |||
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Reline ...... Have you played with this? I have ..... and after 10 minutes of playing with it I came up with this conclusion. I would rather scare the crap out of my passengers than bore them with graphs and pretty lights.
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28-10-2012, 10:23 PM | #63 | |||
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28-10-2012, 10:54 PM | #64 | |||
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But ****** what would I know without my effing graphs and numbers.
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28-10-2012, 11:10 PM | #65 | |||
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Without you getting all silly about it (must be a touchy point apparently), yes, it is obvious that Holden sell more as you do see more and the fact that they have been selling exactly the same ute since 2006 so would expect more ..... but it could also be said that more tradesmen prefer a proper 1 tonne tray, hence why the Ford is seen used by most tradesman. It is also common knowledge that Holden has a much higher blind following than Fords, so that also can be taken into consideration.
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28-10-2012, 11:15 PM | #66 | ||
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28-10-2012, 11:17 PM | #67 | |||
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That's a bit of a worry seeing the standard of road we normally drive on out here...whatever happened to the old fashioned over-engineered front ends of Australian cars from days of yore? The standard saying used to be "An Australian car needs to have the feeling about it that you could drive through a brick wall and keep on going". Engineering something to be "just good enough" with no leeway for abuse (either intentional or just plain road wear) isn't a clever thing to do... |
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28-10-2012, 11:26 PM | #68 | ||
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I hate too tell anyone that thinks that HSV and Holden and Ford and FPV are two different things. there not. HSV is HOLDEN and FPV is FORD. HSV modify Holdens as FPV modifys fords. there performace partners. I've modified cars before but you dont here me selling a wildrider do you??
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28-10-2012, 11:31 PM | #69 | ||
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I personally prefer the look of the cab chassis setup, that and sports bars look tough to me.
If I were in the market(I'm not right now) not withstanding that i'm a ford loyalist, i'd be turned off with the VE for most of the previously mentioned reasons. I'm a realist so I understand accidents happen and that one piece body is potentially an expensive fix. The 6 cylinder engines and transmissions are uninspiring to say the least and I couldn't justify spending all that money and have to live with that. l98/lS3 are great engines but i'd feel like I was settling for 2nd best if I didn't purchase a Miami(providing I was in the V8 market), my personal opinion anyway. Lack of options with trays if the need for a bigger tray arose. Holden payload isn't that great even compared with the previous VZ ute. I consider utes to be tools for the most part and just like any other tool I buy i'd want it to be as flexible and adjustable to use as possible. With that all said though a car is still the second most expensive purchase one could make and Holden are known to keep their pencils nice and sharp so that could always factor in.
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28-10-2012, 11:36 PM | #70 | ||
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If I remember correctly at the time of the release of the FG the cost of engineering and certification of the RTV could not be justified against the projected sales.
It's a shame really as we have a BF RTV tray back at work and its the best ute to drive next to my FG R6 styleside both of which are a country mile ahead of the previous model (09) Rangers which have a much harsher ride and rubbish gearboxes. The 4x4 Ranger has been a real lemon and is constantly breaking down. All the Falcon utes from BA series 1 to the FG are totaly reliable and just get a regular oil change and filled up with gas or petrol. The owners have been toying with a couple of VW Caddy's but we are already having issues with them. Try getting the correct oil filter at a service. Our mechanic found out the hard way that there are three different oil filters on models from the same year. |
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29-10-2012, 12:19 AM | #71 | |||
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Simple fact is the durability standards that need to be engineered into passenger car suspension components for off road use are at another level and add cost, weight and production complexity which would impact all variants of vehicle that depend on that platform. You don't need goddamn smash 'n bash off road spec control arms in a passenger sedan. They did extensive outback durability testing and there are enough examples of FG's out there with high klm (many country klm) that prove they aren't some complete and utter suspension design dogs breakfast. indeed
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29-10-2012, 01:08 AM | #72 | |||
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Seeing what the guys do to the cars at the proving ground at lara. I know I'm not worried.
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29-10-2012, 08:07 AM | #73 | |||
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However to answer your other question, Holden sold 3360 V8's utes (not including HSV's) in 2011. http://www.fordforums.com.au/vbporta...rticle&id=1359 |
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29-10-2012, 08:15 AM | #74 | |||
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Im not saying the white utes are no good(I have a bravo myself)as their original intended purpose a cheap *** work horse because thats all they are, these butt ugly 2Ton+ overdone glam utes need the torque of diesel to actually move and 90% would be lucky to even see any real 4x4ing, a sedan and a 6x4 trailer would do a better job for most people. |
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29-10-2012, 08:24 AM | #75 | |||
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29-10-2012, 08:34 AM | #76 | ||||
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29-10-2012, 10:05 AM | #77 | ||
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I dont know what the new petrol hilux is like but i know for fact that the old petrol hiluxs use too chew a fair bit of fuel!!
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29-10-2012, 10:47 AM | #78 | ||
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To answer the OP question, no, they shouldn't go to one piece body.
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29-10-2012, 11:41 AM | #79 | |||
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secondly FPV is a wholy owned subsidary of which company??? FORD the base vehicle is made by???? FORD
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29-10-2012, 12:15 PM | #80 | |||
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Ask anyone who owns a Commodore single piece body ute about towing anything that weights a bit.
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29-10-2012, 12:24 PM | #81 | ||
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You guys needs to give the Ford vs. FPV thing a break. Ford have lost sales by not having the XR8... Whether it be 20 or 200 a month they are still losing out. Not many buy GS utes, they are too expensive for what they are. Maybe its not feasible to have a 40 kay V8 ute, they have chosen that path and are sticking to it.
As for ute sales being no where Ford do not push Falcon ute, they are pushing Ranger as its well known in the industry that Falcon ute is the next casualty. They don't even stock cab chassis Falcon utes anymore, just build them to order basically. The 1 piece body thing is a waste of time, just ask any panel shop when it comes time to replace one. Many insurance companies just write VE utes off now if they require a new side panel as its cheaper then trying to cut them up and repair them.
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29-10-2012, 02:39 PM | #82 | |||
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It'd be interesting to see whether that resulted in an increase, decrease or neutral number of sales. I think if they took whatever is 'premium' out of the GS, and re-introduced it as an XR8 with an option pack to add back the 'premium' stuff, they might get some more sales out of it. I'm talking both Ute and Sedan here. |
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29-10-2012, 03:02 PM | #83 | |||
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29-10-2012, 03:09 PM | #84 | ||
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I thought this discussion was about the cab chassis Falcon ute or did I miss something
All the Falcon Utes are produced by Ford, they are not made in some random factory somewhere - move on FFS
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29-10-2012, 03:15 PM | #85 | |||
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29-10-2012, 03:38 PM | #86 | |||
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Supercharger? 2 more cylinders? FPV bits and pieces? And as per usual a thread is derailed because of the same numptys crying that there is no XR8 ute, get over it, Ford made a business decision to drop the XR8 because it was not selling enough. No amount of crying from a small and select group of whingers is not going to change it.
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29-10-2012, 03:46 PM | #87 | |||
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FPV and Ford are 2 different things. As is HSV and Holden. Amazing how when it suits you guys will claim FPV's as Fords and when it doesnt you all point out the numerous differences between them. What badge is on the actual vehicle? Hmmm? Have FPV not started badging their cars AS FPV's? To MOST people this makes them different.
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29-10-2012, 03:49 PM | #88 | |||
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29-10-2012, 03:52 PM | #89 | |||
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Can you tell me the badge on the front of this please, i cant quite see it?
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