AMEP have sacked the Victorian arm of the party.

[bungarra]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

Reduce Income tax who could that help perhaps the wealthiest people first then the rest of the slobs wow what a generous man he is shame all that lost revenue will mean cuts to
Services but hey what's best for Australia pffft

Why do services have to drop?? The Federal government used to provide services based on sales tax and excise revenue. WW1 was when the income tax was first collected for the war effort by the Federal Government and was supposed to be cancelled at the end of hostilities but it never happened, just like any tax or levy.

Payroll and state taxes looked after state issues.

And by the fact you skipped it, you must agree with provisional tax? Ask the business people on here hwo many times they have been belted with provisional tax assessments.

Singapore has a great economy and services and has a lower income tax rates than us. http://www.iras.gov.sg/irashome/page04.aspx?id=1190

Our tax system does one thing Singapores doesn't, that is we don't encourage productivity.

[noflac52]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

Reduce Income tax who could that help perhaps the wealthiest people first then the rest of the slobs wow what a generous man he is shame all that lost revenue will mean cuts to
Services but hey what's best for Australia pffft

Ronald Reagan reduced taxes in the USA against formidable opposition and it worked a treat. It stimulated the economy because there was a lot more money in the retail market and this had a lot of positive flow on effects.

[tankclare]

I have been watching the arguments on facebook regarding all of this. Just then was the first time I have heard the interview with Keith and all I can say is wow.

From what I can gather Scott MacDonald has been having personal problems going on and instead of supporting him the Queensland arm of the AMEP aka Keith Littler basically called him a sook and got rid of him. I don't know the facts behind everything but do know that all of this mess is making the AMEP look like a joke. Not good for all of us car enthusiasts.

[BHDOGS]

Originally Posted by bungarra

Why do services have to drop?? The Federal government used to provide services based on sales tax and excise revenue. WW1 was when the income tax was first collected for the war effort by the Federal Government and was supposed to be cancelled at the end of hostilities but it never happened, just like any tax or levy.

Payroll and state taxes looked after state issues.

And by the fact you skipped it, you must agree with provisional tax? Ask the business people on here hwo many times they have been belted with provisional tax assessments.

Singapore has a great economy and services and has a lower income tax rates than us. http://www.iras.gov.sg/irashome/page04.aspx?id=1190

Our tax system does one thing Singapores doesn't, that is we don't encourage productivity.

May Mate and his Missus live in Singapore it's a **** hole country who exploits there local population

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by pajoda

You can't create laws from the senate, they start in the house of reps, once approved there it goes to the Senate, he has stopping power via his minions though.

Abbott will be livid with this, went to all the trouble of giving preferences to Labor before the greens to avoid this situation.

Both houses have equal power to introduce bills (but the Senate is not able to do so on certain things) however they usually originate in the House of Reps.

It must pass both houses and receive royal assent to get up.

The whole idea of the Senate is there is ideally never a majority pull.

[SantoAU]

Clive Palmer with Senate balance of power... this won't end well. Mark my words

[wrongwaynorris]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

All I hear is John Faine baiting him into an argument, its obvious all these guys have no idea on how to deal with the media, they probably didn't think they would win and now the media is out to get them.

If anyone of us was on the end of the phone with ol Johhny boy, it probably wouldn't end too fantastically either.

You must have listened to a different interview to the one I heard . There was not one single ounce of baiting at all . The media is NOT out to get them they simply want to talk to a senator elect ( who has gone to ground or been gagged by an equally inept and incompotent party executive ) who like it or not IS now public property . It goes with the territory and any person in this country with half a brain realises this fact .

It would end badly if you bristled with indignation at being asked perfectly reasonable quetions , if you were totally confrontational and openly antagonistic and just plain rude , and above all inept and incompotent .

[LTDHO]

I voted for AMEP because car enthusiasts have been getting the raw deal for too long and it only getting worse (here in Victoria anyway).

In a naive way I hoped we (like many other Victorians by the look of it) hoped that getting a group into parliament will take the heat of us and show we’re not the murderous menaces that we are made out to be.

It seems the right party got in, just the wrong person. Now it seems that all is wasted as AMEP unite with Palmer United Party. Our or at least my vision and goal is now lost.

Politics it not my strong point (obviously LOL) but tell me that I’m misguided.

[mechanic]

Some weird stuff happens with electing a senator and in some ways quite discriminatory.
Firstly, Tasmania gets 12 senate positions with a population of .5M,
ACT get 2 senators with a pop. of .4M
NT gets 2 senators with a pop of .25M

The remaining states each get 12 senators with pop. from 7.5M -1.6M

If that's not bad enough, in the last election some senators candidates were elected with primary votes of 2% in some cases.

The results were skewed due to a very smart operator who pulled together preference deals with a lot of minor players.

Nothing new of course as the big parties have made an art form of it and in some cases have had the majority in the Reps and the Senate.


As a gun owner and recreational shooter it appears to be the only way to stop some parliaments obliterating our Australian way of life.

Imagine for a moment if some weirdo party gets power in both houses who want to ban or severely restrict engine size or fuel usage of motor vehicles as per Little Johnny and guns.

We'd all be driving Toyota Prius on LPG with rego. of $5,000/year at max speed limits of 20 klms/hr.

[xxx000]

Sorry but I don't think guns are part of our 'Australian way of life'

One of the few decent things I can recall John Howard doing was restricting high powered guns after the Port Arthur massacre.
Problem was he didn't go far enough imho

[Sorted]

Something I didn't know

Clive Palmer is a motor enthusiast

http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au...g-day/1708300/

Clive Palmer pictured with a selection of his automobile collection at the Palmer Motorama, Palmer Coolum Resort. Photo: Iain Curry / Sunshine Coast Daily

Since opening at the start of the year the exhibition which features over 50 stunning cars from Professor Clive Palmer’s private collection

[PridenJoy]

^^^Professor Clive Palmer?? Realy?

[iCat]

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...ey-from-abbott

and we are now aligned with this... this has set our cause back to square one. Good on ya AMEP.

[tweeked]

Tell me, did the Greens get a benefit out of being a minority jumping into bed with Labor?

Absolutely.

SO why does everyone think that the AMEP sold out by jumping in with Palmer United. They now will be in a group holding the balance in the senate. Palmer will have to listen to the AMEP with their primary policy, or the AMEP will walk. That is politics people.

[GQ_Smooth]

Originally Posted by tweeked

Tell me, did the Greens get a benefit out of being a minority jumping into bed with Labor?

Absolutely.

SO why does everyone think that the AMEP sold out by jumping in with Palmer United. They now will be in a group holding the balance in the senate. Palmer will have to listen to the AMEP with their primary policy, or the AMEP will walk. That is politics people.

My expectation was that AMEP would vote with what ever the current government was in power is the majority of issues and only step in when I came to core values (automotive related) joining with PUP will likely mean because Clive Palmer has an opinion of every bloody thing, we will have to vote based on his opinion on all matters going through the senate (if Clive doesn't like it, it won't pass).

"Rupert Murdoch's ex wife was a Chinese spy" , "Palmer United Party will end unemployment", this isn't a sound bite or taken out of context, he announced it on national television. Anyway talking about this gets me too worked up and not good for my blood pressure. I feel dudded and I need to get over it.

[bungarra]

Originally Posted by iCat

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...ey-from-abbott

and we are now aligned with this... this has set our cause back to square one. Good on ya AMEP.

SO as an elected party, they are not allowed to ask for the same staffing as the Greens??? So you want Ricky Muir to have little or no parliamentary support staff? At least Clive is saying "give us equal staff" based on our alliance numbers.

The Majors thought AMEP were going to be a weaker party, the "alliance" with PUP just gives them more bargaining power for their entitlements and show the majors that AMEP can negotiate alliances.

I am amazed at the whinging that this alliance is a bad thing along with the whinging about Ricky Muir, wait and see what comes out of it. Time will tell.

[mechanic]

PUP will lean more to the right, he's an old Joh disciple. That'll give the Libs an extra 4 to make 37 votes, they need 39 to get legislation through.
Shouldn't be too much arm twisting to get 2 more.
Disturbing thing is that he's asking for more resources already, the same as the Greens with 9 senators.

Will Clive be able to sit quiet in the lower house question time ? That should be interesting.
We might see the " hairdo" and Clive going toe to toe about procedure.

[LTDHO]

Originally Posted by Sorted

Something I didn't know

Clive Palmer is a motor enthusiast

http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au...g-day/1708300/



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Having buckloads of money and buying classics is not the same as those who enhance and customise.

I doube he will have our interests in mind.

[aualright]

Originally Posted by xxx000

has he even spoken yet since he's now confirmed as elected?

Not talking is the new norm. The conservatives have taken to that with gusto, so why shouldn't Ricky.

- Budget emergency - nothing to see here.
- Boat people - what boat people? Need to know basis. I do sense a ship out there though?
- Science - not on god's earth.

Good politics, apparently!

Seriously, anyone that votes for these fringe mobs without knowing how they actually operate are fools.

****

[zipping]

Originally Posted by Elks

You can't do that as it's a Senate seat, so it's allocated to a party not an individual. Ricky can resign, but the party (AMEP) the has to put forward another candidate.

Whats the betting Keith Littler trys to move to Victoria?

Section 15 of the Constitution provides that a casual vacancy of a State senator shall be filled by the State Parliament. If the previous senator was a member of a particular political party the replacement must come from the same party, but the State Parliament may choose not to fill the vacancy, in which case Section 11 requires the Senate to proceed regardless.

In the Parliament of Australia, a casual vacancy arises when a member of either house (the Senate or the House of Representatives):
dies
resigns mid-term[1]
is expelled from Parliament and their seat is declared vacant,[2]
is absent from (fails to attend) the house, without the permission of the house, for two consecutive months of a session,[3] or
is disqualified.[4]


On this basis Ricky Muir could resign from the AMEP and join PUP or any other party and still remain a member of Parliament. It's only allocated to a Party if it is a casual vacancy.

[SS_01]

The way I have read everything, is that Ricky was thrown out by the AMEP and now Palmer has snapped him, securing that seat in senate???

[karj]

Antony Green (ABC Election Analyst) has confirmed that Muir's senate position is secure, regardless of his status in the party. Neither the Victorian branch or Queensland branch of the AMEP have the power to sack him as a senator.

Antony Green:
"He's elected as an individual, his name is listed on the certificate of election, he's entitled to take his seat from July 1 whatever his party status. The only way he can depart the Senate is by death or by voluntary resignation."

I am of the opinion that if the Queensland executive of the AMEP had the power to sack Muir, then they would have done so in the same way they have sacked the rest of the Victorian branch. It is an obvious power play by the Queensland party founders.

Did anyone else see the party branding at yesterday's press conference? Palmer United banners everywhere, not an AMEP banner in sight...

I wonder how many AMEP members support this alliance and how many don't?

[noflac52]

Did anyone hear the announcement that Ricky Muir made when referring to the alliance that PUP are amenable to our policies regarding motoring enthusiasts. This is a win win for our cause.
The AMEP now has much more political clout than it did before when Ricky was standing alone in the senate. Like anything it will be a negotiation between PUP and AMEP before they decide which way to vote on issues that are raised in the senate. There will be give and take on both sides. This is pretty normal stuff so the bottom line is once an issue is decided by negotiation, if it is for the AMEP we now have PUP voting with us and having the balance of power gives a previously unheard of opportunity for motoring enthusiasts to not only be heard in parliament but to also be listened to.

The government will need to negotiate as well to get some of their policies through and they will be negotiating with PUP and the AMEP as an alliance.

If the AMEP said three months ago that we will have some one in the senate and form an alliance with a party that is run by a motoring enthusiast billionaire who has tons of clout in the corporate world everyone would have said what a lot of people are saying now.

Quote " They don't know what they are doing " / " they are a bunch of fools " / " they are just idiots " etc etc " Unquote

Well it has happened and it is unprecedented good fortune for motoring enthusiasts!

The posts about the internal workings of the AMEP are just supposition at this point because I haven't seen any of them backed up by any evidence.

What is fact is the work and negotiation that has borne fruit in the form of the alliance and none of them in the alliance have yet had the opportunity to perform in the senate so saying that they are nutters and no good is just more supposition based on a few things that the news and current affairs media put out and its not lost on me that the media have set themselves up as the enemy of true motoring enthusiasts over a long period of time.

As to the scare tactics being bandied around that a few nutters can change the nature of our country it just rubbish. The small alliance holds the balance of power not the power of the senate. The major parties hold the overall power and if ridiculous or radical policies that may take away our freedoms are introduced to the senate the labour party can just vote with the government and they will be squashed never to see the light of day again.

Its all good for us enthusiasts so far!

[monte.b]

[QUOTE=karj;4904573]Antony Green (ABC Election Analyst) has confirmed that Muir's senate position is secure, regardless of his status in the party. Neither the Victorian branch or Queensland branch of the AMEP have the power to sack him as a senator.

Antony Green:
"He's elected as an individual, his name is listed on the certificate of election, he's entitled to take his seat from July 1 whatever his party status. The only way he can depart the Senate is by death or by voluntary resignation."

GEE thats what i said last night only to be shot down by one of our moderates
he can tell his party to **** off and still retain his senate seat,he has done the right thing in going with old clive ,more power to him i believe

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by LTDHO

Having buckloads of money and buying classics is not the same as those who enhance and customise.

I doube he will have our interests in mind.

Really? So those knuckleheads who “customise” their VN Commodores or EF Falcons by throwing a set of black steelies on the back and mounting some “really cool” neon lights and a king size UNIT sticker on the back window are any better?

I wonder how many exotic, vintage or classic cars everyone else in the parliament own? Please enlighten me when you find out.

If Clive has the means to buy these types of cars, in my opinion, he is a very good person to be aligned with when arguing the case for motoring enthusiasts. Don’t forget that the RACV is supposed to be a club looking out for the “best interest” of motorist as well, you know, the same people who are on the 6 o’clock news demonising people who dare to modify anything or drive a few kms over the speed limit and fully supporting draconian laws, such as the hoon legislation.

What would you prefer, him or some “born to rule” politician who popped put of his mother with a silver spoon hanging out of their backside and has a Chauffeur to drive them everywhere? I do realise the Clive wouldn’t drive many of them and I’d live to see him trying to fit into an Elise, but at least he has them. What was that saying about he who has the most toys?

Love him or hate him, at least he has the gonads to put his money where his mouth is.

[Matty4]

Originally Posted by LTDHO

Having buckloads of money and buying classics is not the same as those who enhance and customise.

I doube he will have our interests in mind.

I suppose you classify the Bowdens and Lindsay Fox the same then?