Falcon GTHO Revived - Page 3

Mercury Bullet · 01-09-2018, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by nstg8a

What happened to the xr6ts they were gonna be selling? Did that ever happen?

They are being driven...very quickly.

lance · 08-09-2018, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Express

I couldn't care less what mods are done or who does them, unless it comes from the Ford factory preferably with a designated VIN it's not a HO in my books.

Just another wannabe.

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Exactly. Just like the Phase Autos ‘HO’ Phase 5 and 6 Xd and Xe Falcons.

**FairmontGS** · 08-09-2018, 06:51 AM

^^ This.

Winter XR8 · 03-10-2018, 09:56 PM

So what would the 484kw end up being at the wheels?

eb2fairmont · 04-10-2018, 04:31 AM

Oh itd be pretty awesome

Sioso · 16-01-2019, 01:53 PM

https://www.drive.com.au/news/stillb...trackLink=SMH0

Australia's most iconic muscle car has risen from the ashes, two years after production of the locally-built Falcon officially ended.

The legendary Falcon GT-HO has been revived - in spirit at least - with an aftermarket kit that was originally developed for the swansong high-performance Falcon.

Dubbed "The Holy Grail" and created by the engineering team behind all FPV models, Premcar - the Australian independent vehicle development operation that was born from the demise of Prodrive Australia - the kit includes performance and handling upgrades for owners of any FG-X Falcon with a supercharged 5.0-litre V8, such as the Falcon Sprint and FPV GT variants.

Limited to just 100 units, each costing $24,885, the kit consists of an all-new intake manifold equipped with a triple by-pass intercooler, as well as recalibrated engine management system that lifts its rev limiter to 7000rpm.

The net result is a significant increase in outputs, elevating its maximum power to 478kW while peak torque is increased to 753Nm, which puts it on par with the HSV GTSR W1 (officially Australia's most powerful production car) with 474kW and 813Nm.

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Beyond the engine upgrade, the Holy Grail Falcon can be ordered with suspension upgrades including a new Trail Blade that allows the fitment of lightweight forged alloy 19-inch wheels (measuring 8.5-inches wide at teh front and 10.5-inches wide at the back) with sticky Michelin Pilot Sport 2 tyres. Premcar has also created an adjustable coil-over set-up for the Holy Grail kit, as well as a specific three-inch stainless steel exhaust system, with assistance from touring car legend John Bowe in the development process.

Bernie Quinn, Director and Chief Engineer of Premcar, told Drive "this is the car we always wanted to create to send-off the Ford Falcon, and we're really excited that we can offer it to a limited group of owners now."

Existing Falcon owners interested in more details can visit the Premcar Holy Grail site here

csv8 · 16-01-2019, 02:02 PM

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**FTE217** · 16-01-2019, 02:38 PM

http://www.premcarholygrail.com/index.html

Whitey-AMG · 16-01-2019, 04:32 PM

I wonder if Shockworks were engaged to work on this project .....

Premcar has also created an adjustable coil-over set-up

Brett and JB go waaaaaaaaaaay back , so Im curious if its a rebranded Shockworks product.

On a personal note and IMHO - unless the package comes with a signed Ford Factory blessing certificate - I wouldn't go anywhere near it with a GT-F. Normal GT - yes.

fgpsi · 16-01-2019, 06:19 PM

for that price I expect a gtho bodykit and new gtho wheels to be installed as well

it did get designed remember.

baboon · 16-01-2019, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by FTE217

http://www.premcarholygrail.com/index.html

Just had a look at this website, it has a lot of info!

Holy Grail Technical Specification

Holy Grail Pricing

Holy Grail Options

Holy Grail Media

Holy Grail Testimonial

Holy Grail Build Number Requests

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Originally Posted by Bluey-GT

I wonder if Shockworks were engaged to work on this project .....

Premcar has also created an adjustable coil-over set-up

Brett and JB go waaaaaaaaaaay back , so Im curious if its a rebranded Shockworks product.

On a personal note and IMHO - unless the package comes with a signed Ford Factory blessing certificate - I wouldn't go anywhere near it with a GT-F. Normal GT - yes.

From the handling options section:

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Suspension - Premcar tuned Coil Over (adjustable) suspension - designed exclusively for Holy Grail program, and delivers the sweetest system ever in a Falcon. It has a unique spring rate and damper package developed by Brett O’Brien who had 11 years with us. Brett (BOB) worked with SVT at Premcar on the original FPV product platform, (nowhis own company - Shockworks). Brett has special touch/feel and is really capable/quick behind the wheel and can drive what he designs like no other in this country, a special talent. He’s worked around the world (tuning suspension/ride and handling) for most major players in Europe and the US and collaborated with our Holy Grail (SVT) group to produce the best ever package delivering outstanding performance. Has the capability to set as comfort/drag/full race and track spec settings.

baboon · 16-01-2019, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Fiji

Coincidence they are released just as most supercharged falcons fall out of their warranty

Its just too expensive for me. No matter their affiliation with fpv or ford. Your buying a custom heat exchanger, drilled out manifold and a tune. No warranty or anything. Half the R&D was probably done at ford which buyers already paid for.

You could buy a whole fpv F6/GS for $30k, the whole car

Some info from the Holy Grail Q & A

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Warranty … is there any? I understand my Factory Warranty will possibly have lapsed by the time the build of my Holy Grail?

We warrant the work we do … we will provide clear documentation that deals specifically with Warranty and Intended Use of your Holy Grail... on receipt of your 1st part payment (deposit) – we will issue a Purchase Contract and it will include a Warranty Statement for your records.

Windsor220 · 16-01-2019, 10:36 PM

So 43k for the lot? Thats a lot of moolah

baboon · 16-01-2019, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Windsor220

So 43k for the lot? Thats a lot of moolah

Just had a quick look on carsales, and found a 2015 black manual FGX XR8 with only 355Km on it for $54,900.

So with the $24,885

Performance exhaust (Holy Grail Tuned Exhaust (option) with your upgrade to guarantee ADR Compliance)
$4,500

Handling options including
new rear trail blade,
adjustable coilover suspension,
Forged lightweight aluminium wheels
Specially Designed Premcar HO Wheel - Fr 19 x 8.5” / Rr 19 x 10.5”
Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 R Spec tyres - Fr 255 x 35R 19 / Rr 295 x 30R 19 $14,790

Total: $99 075

You get Premcar developed a high performance engine and transmission calibration for high performance and OEM standard durability, including:

Gear Specific Torque Output
483 kW @ 6800RPM
753Nm @ 4500-5200 RPM
7000 RPM (sports mode) lifted from factory spec of 6250

Price can vary on cost of base car, so for an almost new factory car for around $100K. Would certainly be an option for a few buyers. Only 100 up for grabs.

Whitey-AMG · 17-01-2019, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by baboon

Just had a look at this website, it has a lot of info!

Holy Grail Technical Specification

Holy Grail Pricing

Holy Grail Options

Holy Grail Media

Holy Grail Testimonial

Holy Grail Build Number Requests

From the handling options section:

Great info and as I suspected.........
Seems I've had HOLY GRAIL spec suspension on my BFGT for years now with the Shockworks gear.

This Rim and tyre size upgrade will be interesting - it exceeds the standard GT / GT R spec and GT-F tyre / wheel placard by more than 1 inch and may change manufacturers offset by more than 1 inch which may/will make it very murky from an engineering / insurance / roadworthy perspective in different states around Australia.

Specially Designed Premcar HO Wheel - Fr 19 x 8.5” / Rr 19 x 10.5”

baboon · 17-01-2019, 11:53 AM

According to the article: Premcar’s Falcon GT Holy Grail website launches

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A car completed by Premcar will make its public debut at All Ford Day in Geelong on February 17.

Might make an effort to check this one out for sure! Might ask questions about fuel/injectors/rim width legalities etc...

**GasoLane** · 17-01-2019, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Fiji

Does this mean its safe to spin our engines to 7000rpm with stock injectors and fuel pump with at least 400rwkw

Give Premcar a call and ask. 0383 178 200

Bossxr8 · 18-01-2019, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Fiji

I find it odd that ford didnt have the money to finish the job on this project but a few blokes ex employees claim to fund the program from their back pocket to engineer it to OEM level?

Lets say half the work was done by ford, presume the heat exchanger and manifold and tune, just the testing didnt pass fords standards, all of a sudden it passes? (When ford dont have to officially sign off or anyone provide warranty on the driveline) get ford to sign off if all the work is done? That would hold huge weight.

Is john bowe paid by these guys? Is his word really an independent appraisal?

Im thinking, the testing acts to validate the current tuners intercooler + tune kits? Ie kpm herrod etc.. as they conclude can spin to 7000rpm, enough fuel etc in stock fuel pump / injectors. Im sure the top tuners are not complete mugs and have no idea about tuning?

Rumour goes the problem was chassis/firewall related why it never went into production. The intercooled engine was ready to go.

Ford and FPV argued back and forth who should pay for the body strengthening and couldn't come to an agreement. So it got canned according to some people on here.

**sierra63** · 19-01-2019, 08:02 AM

Interesting that Premcar can simply add their designed inter cooler and a tune to get such performance... whereas from what I have read, many tuners have to also advocate adding bigger injectors and higher capacity fuel pumps as well (to pour fuel down the throat)...

There must be some significant differences in their different approaches, given the same starting points..

asagaai · 19-01-2019, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by sierra63

Interesting that Premcar can simply add their designed inter cooler and a tune to get such performance... whereas from what I have read, many tuners have to also advocate adding bigger injectors and higher capacity fuel pumps as well (to pour fuel down the throat)...

There must be some significant differences in their different approaches, given the same starting points..

I am old school and thought amount of O2 + fuel plus combustion in internal engine is directly proportionate to power.

So bigger valves and bigger cam etc allows more air into engine for more power, but with greater air need to have fuel added to give the bang.

Perhaps all the other tuners have been snakeskin oil upselling need for bigger injectors and fuel pumps to reach more power and 7000 revs when the oem pump and injectors sufficient for 7000 revs with correct tunning

stevanford · 19-01-2019, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sierra63

Interesting that Premcar can simply add their designed inter cooler and a tune to get such performance... whereas from what I have read, many tuners have to also advocate adding bigger injectors and higher capacity fuel pumps as well (to pour fuel down the throat)...

There must be some significant differences in their different approaches, given the same starting points..

TBH, 480kw at the flywheel roughly converts to 400rwkw. How many miami powered cars need a fuel pump and injectors to make that type of power ? Most are making that power with a tune, and a cat back. Intercooler obviously helps but it is not necessary to go for an aftermarket pump and injectors for that power.

arronm · 19-01-2019, 04:47 PM

Tune plus the below = 25K BARGAIN. NOT....

stevanford · 19-01-2019, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by arronm

Tune plus the below = 25K BARGAIN. NOT....

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Bingo.

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CJR09 · 19-01-2019, 10:22 PM

Thing is though as with the earlier phase auto stuff and later like the Moffat HO - with a placard or whatever numbering system if it is done properly it will add to resale value and future collect-ability

Not a fan of it - just sayin

XBGTFGGTP · 20-01-2019, 05:27 AM

The tune must be pretty good if the driveline holds up. How many tuned cars with similar power have busted ZF’s and drive shafts?

**sierra63** · 20-01-2019, 07:18 AM

At a resent presentation, Bernie was explaining that his team continue the previous work they had done, and whilst increase output cababilty, they still retain the drive line protection techniques, with individual in gear power and torque delivery mappings.
This would be a point of difference of an after market tuner, who simply may turn off these original protection techniques.

When I first found out about this Premcar offering, the more I found out, the more I was interested, and very tempted. However, once adding in the handling package, exhaust and wheels on top of the original Holy Grail (complete package), whilst still tempting, was a bit too much to justify to myself.

Vesper Martini · 22-01-2019, 12:43 PM

From the article above
A car completed by Premcar will make its public debut at All Ford Day in Geelong on February 17.

IMO this would not add any value to the vehicle, viewed as just another aftermarket mod.
Try telling your insurance company you have a factory 2015 HO Falcon

Windsor220 · 22-01-2019, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Fiji

As much as they say its tested to factory specs.. its still not signed off by ford. So its not confirmed..

If it was so easy I dont see why ford didnt do it themselves?

The fact is ford DIDNT sign off on it. If your fgx sprint is still in warranty, this kit would void it.

Also i noticed a well known ford car salesman is heavily involved in this program. He seems to always wheel out john bowe everytime he trys sell something.

There would be parts of it that dont pass new car regs. Different rules for new cars and aftermarket tuners.

BENT_8 · 22-01-2019, 02:54 PM

Ford wouldnt agree to it as the power exceeded the chassis warrantable abilities, whilst we know from people who've gone down the aftermarket route that the cars can handle the additional power it was obviously beyond what Ford considered an acceptable risk.

The package on offer is obviously well researched, but in the end, regardless of who developed it, it is and always will be an aftermarket parts/tune upgrade and you'd have to question wether its worth the asking price for what is included.

**DJM83** · 23-01-2019, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Fiji

As much as they say its tested to factory specs.. its still not signed off by ford. So its not confirmed..

If it was so easy I dont see why ford didnt do it themselves?

The fact is ford DIDNT sign off on it. If your fgx sprint is still in warranty, this kit would void it.

Also i noticed a well known ford car salesman is heavily involved in this program. He seems to always wheel out john bowe everytime he trys sell something.

There's no way I be 'ruining' my very limited sprint if I owned one.