Revive Car Industry in Australia

[snap0964]

It should be an exciting time you would think - unfortunately, I think it will also be very scary. Global Warming has reached religion levels,
being blamed for bushfires, cyclones, sea level etc, when statistical data shows otherwise.

The Earth's Atmosphere is currently 0.04% CO2, with 3% of that man created - Australia's portion is 1.3% of that 3%.
I agree we have changed our environment, and we do need to clean it up, but do we need to force these changes now, and put ourselves at risk economically even further?

Modelling suggests EV takeup by intervention would be more realistic by around 2037, by attrition around 2045. Labor's plan of 50% EV's and 45% renewables is calculated to put half a trillion dollars ($500 billion)over the next decade in debt - our all up debt is a half trillion dollars now. A surplus of $7 billion is coming next FY - still will take a while to get this debt down.
The cost of energy is estimated to go up seven fold over this time as well.

Originally Posted by kmav23

Do you think we should be energy independent ?
Be able to have the industrial ability, expertise and capacity to make some cars in Australia ?

Well we were - when the power generation infrastructure was still government owned, and prices were realistic. I'm old enough to remember Chrysler, Leyland, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Renault, etc.

Originally Posted by kmav23

Renewable energy is now cheaper then building Nuclear and coal power and is the cost is still falling. Investment in renewable has overtaken investments in fossil fuels. Even without any subsidies its now cheaper to build solar and wind.
Other problems
- Super expensive to build
- no wants to be built next to them
- Nuclear waste disposal
- accidents and terrorism target

I think South Australians might disagree with you. The reliability factor is significant. Also, I think it's closed thinking to not consider other energy generation methods to complement renewables - Nuclear has developed a lot since the Chernobyl days: http://www.world-nuclear.org/informa...-reactors.aspx. e.g.Reactors using recycled Uranium.

[dddd]

[QUOTE=kmav23;6280992]Renewable energy is now cheaper then building Nuclear and coal power and is the cost is still falling.

Investment in renewable has overtaken investments in fossil fuels.

Even without any subsidies its now cheaper to build solar and wind.
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This is a line the left continually push out that always makes me laugh (typical example of the old phrase if you tell a lie often enough people will believe it)

Every renewable energy project has massive tax payer subsidies supporting it (otherwise it would not be done) and these subsides are not getting smaller.

Of course investment in renewable energy has overtaken fossil fuels, take away the subsidies and it would disappear overnight

But even when/if a green energy project can stand on its own financial feet without tax pays money we still have the base load problem that will never be overcome with batteries.
Until we scrape all renewable energy subsidies, our power prices will continue to rise and the left will continue to blame everything else but renewable energy for the rises

Its just a shame that the whole thing has become a religion and has been forced down peoples throats. Had the renewable industry been allowed to mature at its own pace and only introduced into the market when it was commercially viable it would not had the enormous financial cost to both individuals and more importantly manufacturing and would have been seen as a positive advance

[dddd]

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[roddy1960]

Another way the future is heading

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFNGdGdRfRE

[csv8]

What does it cost to charge and electric car v servo? Must cost more on the power bill??

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

Let’s make our Country bankrupt !

Nice work Labor / Tesla man, thanks !

On 18th May 2019 Australia becomes a kleptocracy.

[Sprintey]

What do you mean? It's been a kleptocracy since the Rum Corps!

[Bolly47]

Originally Posted by b0son

That's fine. It's emissions-free....

no not really as coal power station will still sending more emission due heavy load on EV batteries charger

[b0son]

thank you captain obvious

[naddis01]

https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...uction-118531/

NEWS May 17th
Chinese car-maker commits to Australian EV production

Full-scale car production set to return to Adelaide under new plans
Full-scale car production is set to return to Australia under the tenure of a bourgeoning Chinese electric car-maker that includes backing from American business magnate Warren Buffett.

The Australian Financial Review reports Chinese car-maker BYD Co has signed a deal with Adelaide-based group EVANT to build an EV for the Australian market from late 2020.

The electric model would be sold under a new brand, which will be unveiled in the coming months, with plans to first commence production in China before shifting manufacturing operations to Adelaide.

BYD Co has signed a memorandum of understanding with EVANT to produce three different right-hand drive passenger vehicles, including mid-size and full-size SUVs. Officials are already pitching at the premium end of the market with advanced technology and an electric range of 650km.

EVANT has backing from transport group Nexport and investment fund Fusion Capital, one of the major investors in Brabham Automotive and the Adelaide-produced BT62.

The newly-devised EV operation has extensive technical know-how in the industry.
EVANT director Christian Reynolds is a former Tesla engineer, while one of Fusion Capital's directors is Mat Fitch, owner of Precision Components, a big supplier of automotive components to Holden when it was a manufacturer in Australia.

Reynolds sees opportunity in “the premium space” for the mystery Chinese brand.
The BYD Co and EVANT collaboration isn’t alone in its pursuit of electric vehicle manufacturing in Australia.

British billionaire Sanjeev Gupta is likewise eyeing off an electric vehicle strategy after working with the UK’s Gordon Murray Design.

Gupta said last month that he aimed to have a production run of between 10,000 and 20,000 in Australia and was leaning toward a ''smart car'' for urban environments.

A Queensland-based start-up, ACE EV Group, has also announced plans to produce a brace of electric vehicles in Australia.

[superyob]

We need to have the capability to build the modern equivalent of the Panzerkampfwagen VI for future 'considerations'...

[kmav23]

As i predicted companies are willing to invest in building electric cars, vans, trucks and buses etc.. in Australia.

[theBlake]

Let the Chinese and the Europeans invest, produce and consume EV's. Once the technology has reached mass utilisation the cars will be so cheap relatively.

The cost of an EV now is outrageous. There is no way I would buy one, even if I had money to throw away. Its still cheaper for me to drive my BF2 with foot flat to the floor (because its already paid for)

[fgpsi]

Originally Posted by naddis01

https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...uction-118531/

NEWS May 17th
Chinese car-maker commits to Australian EV production

Full-scale car production set to return to Adelaide under new plans
Full-scale car production is set to return to Australia under the tenure of a bourgeoning Chinese electric car-maker that includes backing from American business magnate Warren Buffett.

The Australian Financial Review reports Chinese car-maker BYD Co has signed a deal with Adelaide-based group EVANT to build an EV for the Australian market from late 2020.

The electric model would be sold under a new brand, which will be unveiled in the coming months, with plans to first commence production in China before shifting manufacturing operations to Adelaide.

BYD Co has signed a memorandum of understanding with EVANT to produce three different right-hand drive passenger vehicles, including mid-size and full-size SUVs. Officials are already pitching at the premium end of the market with advanced technology and an electric range of 650km.

EVANT has backing from transport group Nexport and investment fund Fusion Capital, one of the major investors in Brabham Automotive and the Adelaide-produced BT62.

The newly-devised EV operation has extensive technical know-how in the industry.
EVANT director Christian Reynolds is a former Tesla engineer, while one of Fusion Capital's directors is Mat Fitch, owner of Precision Components, a big supplier of automotive components to Holden when it was a manufacturer in Australia.

Reynolds sees opportunity in “the premium space” for the mystery Chinese brand.
The BYD Co and EVANT collaboration isn’t alone in its pursuit of electric vehicle manufacturing in Australia.

British billionaire Sanjeev Gupta is likewise eyeing off an electric vehicle strategy after working with the UK’s Gordon Murray Design.

Gupta said last month that he aimed to have a production run of between 10,000 and 20,000 in Australia and was leaning toward a ''smart car'' for urban environments.

A Queensland-based start-up, ACE EV Group, has also announced plans to produce a brace of electric vehicles in Australia.

But Shorten is going to do it first

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by naddis01

https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...uction-118531/

NEWS May 17th
Chinese car-maker commits to Australian EV production

Full-scale car production set to return to Adelaide under new plans
Full-scale car production is set to return to Australia under the tenure of a bourgeoning Chinese electric car-maker that includes backing from American business magnate Warren Buffett.

The Australian Financial Review reports Chinese car-maker BYD Co has signed a deal with Adelaide-based group EVANT to build an EV for the Australian market from late 2020.

The electric model would be sold under a new brand, which will be unveiled in the coming months, with plans to first commence production in China before shifting manufacturing operations to Adelaide.

BYD Co has signed a memorandum of understanding with EVANT to produce three different right-hand drive passenger vehicles, including mid-size and full-size SUVs. Officials are already pitching at the premium end of the market with advanced technology and an electric range of 650km.

EVANT has backing from transport group Nexport and investment fund Fusion Capital, one of the major investors in Brabham Automotive and the Adelaide-produced BT62.

The newly-devised EV operation has extensive technical know-how in the industry.
EVANT director Christian Reynolds is a former Tesla engineer, while one of Fusion Capital's directors is Mat Fitch, owner of Precision Components, a big supplier of automotive components to Holden when it was a manufacturer in Australia.

Reynolds sees opportunity in “the premium space” for the mystery Chinese brand.
The BYD Co and EVANT collaboration isn’t alone in its pursuit of electric vehicle manufacturing in Australia.

British billionaire Sanjeev Gupta is likewise eyeing off an electric vehicle strategy after working with the UK’s Gordon Murray Design.

Gupta said last month that he aimed to have a production run of between 10,000 and 20,000 in Australia and was leaning toward a ''smart car'' for urban environments.

A Queensland-based start-up, ACE EV Group, has also announced plans to produce a brace of electric vehicles in Australia.

Will believe it when i see the first line of cars coming off the line in AU.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by kmav23

As i predicted companies are willing to invest in building electric cars, vans, trucks and buses etc.. in Australia.

You should be in Politics kmav

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

You should be in Politics kmav

Definately talks as much crap as they do

[Citroënbender]

I keep thinking of Will Self in Grumpy Old Men, talking about the children in his area who went door-to-door at Christmas, singing carols for money. The way he described it, they spent more time knocking and begging than actually singing.

Similarly, I have this idea that a budding manufacturer would pop out two or three cars, announce the economics of it were flaky, seek funding and concessions, rinse and repeat ad nauseum.

[JasonACT]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-...cture/11134366

[dddd]

Originally Posted by naddis01

https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...uction-118531/

NEWS May 17th
Chinese car-maker commits to Australian EV production

Full-scale car production set to return to Adelaide under new plans
Full-scale car production is set to return to Australia under the tenure of a bourgeoning Chinese electric car-maker that includes backing from American business magnate Warren Buffett.

The Australian Financial Review reports Chinese car-maker BYD Co has signed a deal with Adelaide-based group EVANT to build an EV for the Australian market from late 2020.

The electric model would be sold under a new brand, which will be unveiled in the coming months, with plans to first commence production in China before shifting manufacturing operations to Adelaide.

BYD Co has signed a memorandum of understanding with EVANT to produce three different right-hand drive passenger vehicles, including mid-size and full-size SUVs. Officials are already pitching at the premium end of the market with advanced technology and an electric range of 650km.

EVANT has backing from transport group Nexport and investment fund Fusion Capital, one of the major investors in Brabham Automotive and the Adelaide-produced BT62.

The newly-devised EV operation has extensive technical know-how in the industry.
EVANT director Christian Reynolds is a former Tesla engineer, while one of Fusion Capital's directors is Mat Fitch, owner of Precision Components, a big supplier of automotive components to Holden when it was a manufacturer in Australia.

Reynolds sees opportunity in “the premium space” for the mystery Chinese brand.
The BYD Co and EVANT collaboration isn’t alone in its pursuit of electric vehicle manufacturing in Australia.

British billionaire Sanjeev Gupta is likewise eyeing off an electric vehicle strategy after working with the UK’s Gordon Murray Design.

Gupta said last month that he aimed to have a production run of between 10,000 and 20,000 in Australia and was leaning toward a ''smart car'' for urban environments.

A Queensland-based start-up, ACE EV Group, has also announced plans to produce a brace of electric vehicles in Australia.

So let me get this right, a Chinese company is going to import its Chinese parts to assemble a car in a country that's got a power and labour cost of many multiples more than its home country
It could be just me getting old and cynical, but I'm guessing there is a bit more to this story

[fgpsi]

how long till HSV throw an Ls9 in it

[theBlake]

Originally Posted by dddd

So let me get this right, a Chinese company is going to import its Chinese parts to assemble a car in a country that's got a power and labour cost of many multiples more than its home country
It could be just me getting old and cynical, but I'm guessing there is a bit more to this story

my first thoughts are
- some infrastructure costs are low, as they facilities are already here, unused and must be cheap
- if the car is manaufactured here, then there is no import cost when the go to sell it
- the will use their own professional people
- the low AUD
- costs in china are rising
- controls on currency out of china are prohibitive. so if they make profit here, they can keep the money here.

[Hemihunter]

Originally Posted by JasonACT

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-...cture/11134366

interesting

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by fgpsi

how long till HSV throw an Ls9 in it

Considering they used the last of GM's stock just to make the W1, I think it will be a bloody long time

[kmav23]

BYD is the biggest electric vehicle company in the world backed by Warren Buffet, they are no startup.

Biggest maker of electric buses as well and have manufacturing in many countries.

If they want to invest billions and create jobs good for the economy.

[danzvtil]

Originally Posted by theBlake

my first thoughts are
- some infrastructure costs are low, as they facilities are already here, unused and must be cheap
- if the car is manaufactured here, then there is no import cost when the go to sell it
- the will use their own professional people
- the low AUD
- costs in china are rising
- controls on currency out of china are prohibitive. so if they make profit here, they can keep the money here.

Your first 2 points are just rubbish. The landed import cost will be much cheaper than the cost of building here in such small scale, it doesn’t make any sense.

[Crazy Dazz]

Wow, and with crap like this, Labor wonders why they didn't win the election.

Labor and the unions killed manufacturing in this country. Slowly strangling it to death whilst the Liberals looked on and laughed. Now they propose to waste billions of our money trying to revive it? And worse still, it must be some ridiculous fruit-loop variety that appeases the Greens?

Make no mistake, Australia should be making steel, copper, and their downstream products. That includes cars, computers, and even ships.
But the way we operate our workforce, economy, and financial system just isn't conducive.
The Chinese plan their economy 50 years ahead. Our pollies can't even plan 3 years till the next election. We glory in our "strong dollar" and feast on cheap imported crap and bali holidays, whilst China uses their resultant financial reserves to buy our country out from under us.
We insist that the meth-head drop-out sweeping the factory floor gets paid the same as a degree-qualified Engineer. Which is great, until neither of them have a job.
And even the lowest paid worker is taxed to buggery. When you buy an Australian product, ultimately most of the money is going to the government. And then we wonder why we can't compete.

As for EV's, well, ignoring all the usual foot-stamping tanties from the Laser-Disc brigade, its quite simple. We'll buy them when they make sense, and not a moment sooner.
And by that I mean when they actually make sense, not when some keyboard-warrior claims they already do. When Trixibelle can open her Hyundai app and order up an e30 for the same price (features and functionality) as an i30, she'll do so. (And naturally progressive types and local councils will have already led the way.)

And yes, with our clear advantage in the production of steel, aluminium, copper, nickel, and lithium, Australia should be at the forefront of this technology. ROFL.
But we won't be, because the Labor party doesn't have the balls to make the necessary changes, and the Liberal party doesn't care.

[Sprintey]

Further to Crazy Dazz's rant, we could put huge train lines between QLD and NSW coal basins and the enormous reserves of NW WA Iron Ore. Burning NW WA gas to power them. And become the smelter of the world.

Greens' heads would explode.

[theBlake]

Originally Posted by danzvtil

Your first 2 points are just rubbish.

someone run over your dog today?

it was just a couple of thoughts quickly scribbled out. I am not preaching religion at you. What was the harm in letting it go. You dont even offer anything else of substance to the topic.

You must be fun at parties.

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by naddis01

https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...uction-118531/

NEWS May 17th
Chinese car-maker commits to Australian EV production

Full-scale car production set to return to Adelaide under new plans
Full-scale car production is set to return to Australia under the tenure of a bourgeoning Chinese electric car-maker that includes backing from American business magnate Warren Buffett.

The Australian Financial Review reports Chinese car-maker BYD Co has signed a deal with Adelaide-based group EVANT to build an EV for the Australian market from late 2020.

The electric model would be sold under a new brand, which will be unveiled in the coming months, with plans to first commence production in China before shifting manufacturing operations to Adelaide.

BYD Co has signed a memorandum of understanding with EVANT to produce three different right-hand drive passenger vehicles, including mid-size and full-size SUVs. Officials are already pitching at the premium end of the market with advanced technology and an electric range of 650km.

EVANT has backing from transport group Nexport and investment fund Fusion Capital, one of the major investors in Brabham Automotive and the Adelaide-produced BT62.

The newly-devised EV operation has extensive technical know-how in the industry.
EVANT director Christian Reynolds is a former Tesla engineer, while one of Fusion Capital's directors is Mat Fitch, owner of Precision Components, a big supplier of automotive components to Holden when it was a manufacturer in Australia.

Reynolds sees opportunity in “the premium space” for the mystery Chinese brand.
The BYD Co and EVANT collaboration isn’t alone in its pursuit of electric vehicle manufacturing in Australia.

British billionaire Sanjeev Gupta is likewise eyeing off an electric vehicle strategy after working with the UK’s Gordon Murray Design.

Gupta said last month that he aimed to have a production run of between 10,000 and 20,000 in Australia and was leaning toward a ''smart car'' for urban environments.

A Queensland-based start-up, ACE EV Group, has also announced plans to produce a brace of electric vehicles in Australia.

All very well and good, but the lesson learned last time is that if you don't have local ownership (and patriotic local ownership) then decisions get made by the offshore head office and your industry goes kaput.

(Yes supportive policy by local government as well)

And also, you need local capital for said local patriotic ownership. Hey, Clive...