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28-02-2022, 04:51 PM | #61 | ||
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I guess it just shows that people in business will try to lower costs but if alternatives like LPG ends up achieving no savings and add complexity, they’ll just go back to diesel. It must be frustrating to go to so much effort for almost no result.
you read theses company websites, and the systems show so much promise, so I guess everyone has to try before they Buy.. My earlier comments regarding where China sources most of its lithium was intended to show that ther are loads of alternatives to mining near Everest but the Chinese basically couldn’t give a crap…. And chasing Asian battery makers to recycle lithium batteries was all about not repeating the current mess but I guess that horse is now bolting too..[/QUOTE] Yep doesn't matter if the end product is marketed as the savior of the Planet, an industry with no morals will always look for the cheaper way.
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28-02-2022, 05:01 PM | #62 | ||
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28-02-2022, 05:11 PM | #63 | ||
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Converting the Heavy Transport Industry to gas, either LPG or NG, makes a lot of sense. Both economically and environmentally.
But it's a massive Paradigm shift. Basically need to reinvent everything (except the wheel). All the R&D done on Diesels engines for the last few decades goes out the window, and they'd have to develop new ICE engines capable of taking their place. Storage and Transport remains a problem. LNG is difficult to store, and very slow to fill. (LNG buses take several hours) CNG just won't give you a decent range. LPG is the most expensive, and still very slow to fill. |
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28-02-2022, 05:28 PM | #64 | ||
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28-02-2022, 07:37 PM | #68 | |||
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Cummins said the future is Electric trucks……
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01-03-2022, 02:12 AM | #69 | |||
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And you've still got the problem of loading and storing the gas. |
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01-03-2022, 07:49 AM | #70 | |||
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can use some of the natural gas that is being pumped, it makes sense to use what’s already there. Absolutely which is why old mate’s story about the trucking company trying and then removing LPG infrastructure is so compelling. Sometimes things that look good on paper simply don’t add up in reality… |
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01-03-2022, 05:52 PM | #71 | ||
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VW Transporter vans for the gloss & tinted resin urethane foam longboard - powered by diesel while you have the 'Big Oil Don't Surf' sticker on it, that you got at protests to protect the Bight... ah the hypocrisy... but I digress
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07-03-2022, 02:17 PM | #76 | |||
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and when they reach the other side of the "Binge & Purge" cycle, they'll offload the parts division to an equity-fund so they can "focus on their core business" because that is also what corporations do. the ongoing BS of Capital Markets, is a fascinating topic all on its own. |
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07-03-2022, 02:37 PM | #77 | ||
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To get back to the OP's question, yes we have already seen a resurgence in LPG vehicles in Europe.
I'm not completely clear on the drivers. Obviously the overall driver is the ever tightening emissions standards and resulting swing away from diesels in passenger cars. Whilst there's presumably a big move into hybrids and electrics, it's possible that LPG is seen as cheap alternative. And a quick and inexpensive way of utilising existing engines. Take an existing petrol engine that you're struggling to make E6 compliant, whack on an LPG system, and problem solvered. And whilst I haven't dived into it in any great detail, I suspect it may be market specific, for those countries where lack of infrastructure and fossil fuelled power, make plug-ins unviable. Lets also not forget, that all these shifts are being accelerated by government policies, rules, and even subsidies. So whilst in some of the fruitier countries a car maker will flog EVs and PHEVs, in others LPG powered ICEs may be more cost effective. Now that said, I don't know what percentage of their LPG comes from Russia, so it's possible Puttin has screwed it all up. |
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07-03-2022, 09:36 PM | #78 | ||
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I'm enjoying saving some $$ on LPG like I used to before now there is 50c difference where I live...but I am sure they will jack the LPG price up so its only 10c cheaper than petrol like before when I saved SFA...
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07-03-2022, 09:56 PM | #79 | ||
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LPG at $1.06/L in Melbourne, 91 is $1.99/L
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07-03-2022, 10:54 PM | #80 | ||
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08-03-2022, 10:02 PM | #82 | ||
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I paid $2.02/L for diesel tonight, doing 5.6L/100km
With LPG at $1.06/L, if I had an LPG car doing 9.5L/100km it would probably be cheaper to run. |
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09-03-2022, 10:23 AM | #83 | ||
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10-03-2022, 03:04 PM | #85 | ||
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I'm paying .99c for LPG and while that is high for LPG, its not too bad compared to the 2$ a litre for petrol. If i was after another car, being on LPG would be a significant plus for me.
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13-03-2022, 08:48 AM | #88 | ||
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No it won't, as the suppliers are cutting down.
My hometown has reduced from 3 suppliers to one over the last few years, and even they have cut back from four tanks to only one tank. |
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13-03-2022, 01:22 PM | #89 | ||
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SO your argument is that because suppliers adjust to demand, demand won't increase, because supply won't adjust to demand?
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17-03-2022, 05:44 PM | #90 | ||
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Doesn't look like the GOV wants us to drive any LPG cars. Since new petrol stations are not even installing LPG pumps in them.
If Australia were to lose all our oil, we would be able to run everything on LPG. But the GOV will never allow that. They want us all on their crappy electric cars. Nice cars, besides the price and having to wait hours to refill the battery. They claim they are green, but are not even close. |
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