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Old 10-07-2014, 10:42 AM   #91
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And the excuses begin the gts is faster around a track tops for them the 3 ppl who go there will be happy for everybody else there's power and drags at traffic lights I'd put money on the gtf every time
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I don't get why anyone discussing a V8 would even mention fuel consumption.

If that's such a huge factor for you that would make you feel sick go get a prius.

Out of curiosity why do you continue to hang here? You clearly have a beef against Ford, so why not go hang out at a forum that has something you're passionate about?
Of course it should be a consideration, I know I'm not so rich I want to throw my money away at servos, I'd like an efficient car that fills it's role with "acceptable" fuel economy.
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And the excuses begin the gts is faster around a track tops for them the 3 ppl who go there will be happy for everybody else there's power and drags at traffic lights I'd put money on the gtf every time
That's a silly place to be putting your money, given it's quite obvious even with less power the GTS is quicker in a straight line. Haven't you seen the drive video? Yeah sure, auto vs manual but I doubt even with an auto the GTF would claw back a whole second.
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Being touted at 430 and in reality being mid 300's I'd be sick!
I think the 430 badge is legit. Do the maths. It only has to hit 430 on an engine dyno, without ancillaries and they can use that figure.
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Imagine if the GT-F was intercooled!
Then it would be putting out the same max power (shown on the GTF) for more then the 20sec over boost gives it now. The power isn't the drama it needs sticky tyres to get that power down.
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Seen the drag race this morning, GTS chopped it, they used a manual GT-F against an auto GTS lol
What drag race? Is this a rematch race?
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Still people going on about overall packages, wheel sizes, track work and prices
This is about Australia's most powerfull muscle car, which Holden and wheels have been liberal sprouting about. But it's NOT.

Independant factory "supervised" dynos have confirmed the GTF is more powerfull then the GTS. And they did NINE runs to check and double check.....vs the 4 for the hsv. (So heat soak/transient over boost topic means little here)
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That's a silly place to be putting your money, given it's quite obvious even with less power the GTS is quicker in a straight line. Haven't you seen the drive video? Yeah sure, auto vs manual but I doubt even with an auto the GTF would claw back a whole second.
With a decent set of tyers on the back. The GTF will claw that 1 second back, easy.
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Dont know about 1 second but certainly would help not having the rubber it does. The GTS runs something pretty fancy I believe.
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ford could of used better tyres on the gtf but they didn't so its not even worth using that as as excuse anymore.
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Just objective facts. Talk to tuners about the difference between rwkw outputs with 19 and 20 inch wheels and manual and auto gearbox's and ask owners of GT's in Darwin how much use the transitional boost is. More to the point, FFS line these cars up on the track already and lets see how they compare in the real world.
Some curious "facts" you are sprouting....

Why would wheel diameter make a difference to rwkw?

Wheel and tyre weight would. Overall rolling diameter of the wheel and tyre would.

But 20 inch wheels result in different power output than 19 inch wheels is a very definitive statement. I'd love to know the physics behind this phenomena.
Which tuners say that?

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Old 10-07-2014, 12:44 PM   #103
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Let's see what happens when GT-F owners start running their cars at their local dyno's... my bet is they will all make over 330rwkw.
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ford could of used better tyres on the gtf but they didn't so its not even worth using that as as excuse anymore.
They didnt because they didnt have the cash....also its actually quite nice to have a car that doesnt need $500+ per corner for replacements. Its a four door sedan not an exotic.
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Let's see what happens when GT-F owners start running their cars at their local dyno's... my bet is they will all make over 330rwkw.
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Some curious "facts" you are sprouting....

Why would wheel diameter make a difference to rwkw?

Wheel and tyre weight would. Overall rolling diameter of the wheel and tyre would.

But 20 inch wheels result in different power output than 19 inch wheels is a very definitive statement. I'd love to know the physics behind this phenomena.
Which tuners say that?
I suppose you could make a case for frictional losses due to tyre deformation, whether it would be measurable is another thing, out on the road i reckon wider tyres do make a difference in aero dynamics to the vehicle, again how measurable? No idea.
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On the tyre thing... i always thought larger wheels/tyres read a touch lower on the dyno? can't remember where i had seen it.

I know for a fact that larger tyres affect fuel economy and power... Our triton with 33s is testament to that haha
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So if Holden/HSV choose to fit a 20" wheel and tyre to there VF GTS and this produces less rear wheel kilowatts is this Fords/FPV problem?
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So if Holden/HSV choose to fit a 20" wheel and tyre to there VF GTS and this produces less rear wheel kilowatts is this Fords/FPV problem?
No one mentioned anything about it being Ford's problem... it is what it is.
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No one mentioned anything about it being Ford's problem... it is what it is.
Exactly my point. why are we even discussing wheel diameter sizes. It is what it is..

lets all focus on the facts and not on the what's ifs.
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Fact: The GTF produces more power at the rear wheels than the GTS.
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I'm a bit confused (easily done...). Was the dyno result of 330rwkw for the Ford achieved during temporary "overboost" - or is this the normal output than can be expected at all times ??
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I'm a bit confused (easily done...). Was the dyno result of 330rwkw for the Ford achieved during temporary "overboost" - or is this the normal output than can be expected at all times ??
As FPV has said, the ECU will pull back boost on very hot days (over 40 degrees) but by the looks of it, this GT-F is still making more than FPV's claimed 404kW after 9 consecutive runs on the dyno..

348rwkw add 18% driveline loss equals over 420 flywheel killerwatts !!
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Fact: The GTF produces more power at the rear wheels than the GTS.
really? it seems like it hasn't been proven yet...
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I find it funny how these cars apparently need to be tested in the "real world" i.e. at a track. IMO most of these cars will probably never see a circuit. The "real world", for most people, probably involves a bunch of crap talking and appendage measuring with their mates about who's has more power on paper, and who's is quickest from a squirt at the traffic lights.
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What I like is that for years the GT's, F6's (and T-Series) have been "seen" as the underdog, with less power and/or inability to lay it down (in the media anyway). Yet that, in the "real world", for the most part has meant squat. I'd confidently sit in any current FPV GT, GTF or F6, line up with the comparable HSV and happy flip the middle finger as the FPV leaves them behind. Maybe in autos as I’m getting soft. ;)

But who cares about stock figures anyway! Any white GT-F's left anywhere? I've a SCT tuner sitting here I need to use.
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What I like is that for years the GT's, F6's (and T-Series) have been "seen" as the underdog, with less power and/or inability to lay it down (in the media anyway). Yet that, in the "real world", for the most part has meant squat. I'd confidently sit in any current FPV GT, GTF or F6, line up with the comparable HSV and happy flip the middle finger as the FPV leaves them behind. Maybe in autos as I’m getting soft. ;)

But who cares about stock figures anyway! Any white GT-F's left anywhere? I've a SCT tuner sitting here I need to use.
That just confirms my thoughts. Ford drivers are just better drivers!
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Some curious "facts" you are sprouting....

Why would wheel diameter make a difference to rwkw?

Wheel and tyre weight would. Overall rolling diameter of the wheel and tyre would.

But 20 inch wheels result in different power output than 19 inch wheels is a very definitive statement. I'd love to know the physics behind this phenomena.
Which tuners say that?
Sorry but I can't remember. 20 inch rims and tyres will generally weigh more as you've suggested so I guess you get more losses from the centifugal forces required to spin the extra weight up. Youv'e also got far bigger rear brakes on the GTS and anything that adds to rotational mass will reduce the dyno result.
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Unfortunately 15x7s don't fit over the brakes on these...
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