Fpv

[Kryton]

Im still wondering what driving a car has to do with making a statement about the pricing of it.
Thats right - nothing at all.
Having driven something doesnt make your opinion any more important than someone who hasnt driven the car.
We arent discussing the performance, we were discussing the (over) pricing and how it is hurting FPV.
Seems some here cant differentiate between their own biased opinion about their almight vehicle to those that are offering an opinion based on objectiveness - how to help the company instead of taking the "what else do you want" approach that ISNT selling vehicles.

[pottery beige]

price is about right.. keeps a lot of the super cheap auto accessory fitting bogans out..

[SS_01]

Originally Posted by Redrum

But I do think to have an opinion one should at least have something to base it on. Many of the key board warriors I feel gather their opinions from what they read on the internet, rather then getting out and experiencing for themselves, hence my point.

Agreed. Because we read these articles, until we drive the actual vehicle, we base our opinions on someone else's opinion.

I haven't had the pleasure of owning one yet, but I've been lucky enough to drive a few, and i do love them!! Their are a few little things i dislike, but funnily enough, they are similar to the dislikes of my own XR6, so I'm sure when i get the money up, i can live with those issues I have . Especially when you open up the throttle on the big 335

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by davway

Im still wondering what driving a car has to do with making a statement about the pricing of it.
Thats right - nothing at all.
Having driven something doesnt make your opinion any more important than someone who hasnt driven the car.
We arent discussing the performance, we were discussing the (over) pricing and how it is hurting FPV.
Seems some here cant differentiate between their own biased opinion about their almight vehicle to those that are offering an opinion based on objectiveness - how to help the company instead of taking the "what else do you want" approach that ISNT selling vehicles.

We arent even discussing the pricing of the cars, we dont even know if it pricing that is the issue. Yeah sure we can all blame the pricing but we dont know the true reasoning behind whats going on until they tell us.

And IMO people only complain its only overpriced because they cant afford it (Im not complaining its overpriced I just cant afford one, well a new one anyway)

Too some people pricing isnt an issue, these cars are bought with the heart not the brain most of the time.

Nor should we argue the ability of the cars either, its nothing to do with what is going on.

[flooded one]

I'm not bagging out the FPV products. i love FPV. people affording one is irrelevent as not everyone wants all the stuff the FPVs and HSVs come out with. an entry model V8 XT would work well if priced righted the current 5 litre is an improvement over the 5.4 litre. thou i didnt mind the 5.4 litres performance in the XR8

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by davway

Im still wondering what driving a car has to do with making a statement about the pricing of it.
Thats right - nothing at all.
Having driven something doesnt make your opinion any more important than someone who hasnt driven the car.
We arent discussing the performance, we were discussing the (over) pricing and how it is hurting FPV.
Seems some here cant differentiate between their own biased opinion about their almight vehicle to those that are offering an opinion based on objectiveness - how to help the company instead of taking the "what else do you want" approach that ISNT selling vehicles.

It is all important. If you are silly enough to buy a product without testing it first, how can you possibly justify what you are prepared to pay realistically. I recently purchased some speakers. They cost me a fair whack for a pair, more than I would normally spend, but sitting down and listening to them, I could quite clearly hear that they sounded much better and were worth the money.

And performance is quite relevant to a product which boasts performance Ford PERFORMANCE vehicles! In regard to their costing, they have to pay to research, develop their products. You won't get a F6 or 335 product paying peanuts. I would prefer an AMG, but I know I cannot afford one. I still don't whine and moan that they cost too much.

One interesting point I was told by my suspension supplier is that Holden/HSV owners walk in, happily pay the bucks and get the good products. Where Ford/FPV owners are tight and don't want to spend the money.... food for thought.

As for the problems at FPV, these are not limited to FPV. It is the whole economy as a whole. The wheels are literally falling off.

I am sick to death of all the negativity so called Ford fans have about their products. I love them, they rock.

[XRDeeze]

the supercharged VS commodore didnt set any sales records.

HSV don't make SC Commodores.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by DJM83

And IMO people only complain its only overpriced because they cant afford it

I think that's a cop-out. A mate of mine could easily afford an F6 (his current ride is a $70k vehicle), but opted for the XR6T. With the 19's, the tech pack and leather, it had most of what the F6 offered (other than trim differences, rim style and bodykit, and not that much more power), for a hell of a lot less. Given the dismal F6 sales figures, he's not the only one coming to that conclusion.

I see your point, IF people had few other options. But we're spoilt for choice nowadays. People arent buying FPV for its practicality, they're buying it for the fun. And for $70k or less, you can get Evo's, STI's, BMW's, Mercs, Audis, etc etc. For FPV to succeed in the longer term, they need their vehicle to be attractive not just to those who will only ever plant their butt in a Ford, they need to make the car a compelling proposition to those who arent brand-loyal. IMO.

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by Ford_XR603

the supercharged VS commodore didnt set any sales records.

HSV don't make SC Commodores.

they did have a supercharged V6 yonks ago called the XU6 dont think it did too well thou. the only way nowdays too get a supercharged commdore is too buy an aftermarket kit

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by b0son

I think that's a cop-out. A mate of mine could easily afford an F6 (his current ride is a $70k vehicle), but opted for the XR6T. With the 19's, the tech pack and leather, it had most of what the F6 offered (other than trim differences, rim style and bodykit, and not that much more power), for a hell of a lot less. Given the dismal F6 sales figures, he's not the only one coming to that conclusion.

Its not, did he complain that the F6 is overpriced? If not i rest my case. Seems to me he just made a choice to buy an XR6T instead.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Ford_XR603

HSV don't make SC Commodores.

way to miss the point. the argument was that superchargers on their own are some sort of selling point....

are their any parallels here between FPV and Ford itself? lots of money spent on the engine side of things, and still not relfected in sales numbers. perhaps too many Ford/FPV execs are engineers and not enough on the marketing/non-engine development side? there's no question Holden/HSV have lagged on the engineering side compared to Ford/FPV, yet they continue to outsell by a fair margin. maybe its time to find out what customers actually want?

[Jason[98.EL]]

Originally Posted by Redrum

I believe the people bagging FPV's products haven't actually tried one.

I love them!

like your thinking Jason

I for one love the fpv range and have driven most of the range..

I am unfortunately not in the position to own one as they don't fit my current needs (4th child on the way ) and to be really honest I just cant afford one atm

they drive great and well handle better than most cars I have ever driven in my life

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by DJM83

Its not, did he complain that the F6 is overpriced? If not i rest my case. Seems to me he just made a choice to buy an XR6T instead.

the XR6 turbo is one of the best bang for bucks cars out there. the FPV has extras that meirt the price increse. most FPV sales are V8s anyway. you can make an XR6 turbo just as quick as an F6 easily. if i was just after performance i'd buy a XR6 turbo too. the think i love about FPV is its V8s. the current 5 litre has a great note and is bloody quick. Its the V8 note is what all i care about. so of course if i had the chance to buy an FPV and if ford had an XT with the same V8. I'd buy the XT. if i wanted the premium extras. i'd buy a GS or GT etc.

[Rodge]

Boson - you sooo don't get what FPV's are about its almost comical.

What do you drive and what's your agenda on here ?

[b0son]

Originally Posted by DJM83

Its not, did he complain that the F6 is overpriced?

Yes, couldnt see the value (he compared the two objectively).

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Rodge

Boson - you sooo don't get what FPV's are about its almost comical.

Educate me.

What do you drive and what's your agenda on here ?

Megane RS250 (I used to swear black and blue I'd never own a FWD, and yet here I am). No agenda, beyond offering a possible reason why FPVs arent selling more than they currently are.

[DJM83]

Again, this thread ISNT about sales.
b0son ill give you credit for the RS250

Anyway moving on.

[Rodge]

BOson - They're full size cars with serious muscle, good handling, great brakes and great versatility.

They don't have all the trinkets of some of the Euro's or much smaller Japa's you referenced earlier but if you can please direct me to any full sized Euro or Asian made sedan with 335 RWKW's for $70K I'd be delighted to try out each and every vehicle on your list.

FPV invested their resources in the SC engine and strengthened ZF gearbox, both of which are significantly superior kit to HSV's current market offer. Brand loyalty explains why HSV continue to sell well.

[Nikked]

So cliff notes?

-FPV are still in the buisness of offereing perfomance Fords... Yes?
-The restructure is nothing more then a usuall buiness move...yes?
-FPV's factory will be implemented into the Ford facility...Yes?
-A new model will be released this year...yes?

[BOOSTEDGAZ]

I am sick to death of all the negativity so called Ford fans have about their products. I love them, they rock.[/QUOTE]

So true!! When i bought my 335 GT it wasn't about money - it was about buying a vehicle i am truly passionate about. I worked hard and bought my dream toy. I'm by no means rich and as per most of us had to negotiate with the Mrs. As she pointed out it is alot of money to spend on a car but also as she realises it to me is much more than just a car. I drove the F6 and GS both are great cars BUT they are not GT's and i do not regret my purchase one bit.

If you can't afford it - work harder and don't bag the vehicle or people that can. Jealousy is not a reason to bag a product!!

If you don't like it don't buy it

If you like the Holdens better and think they are better value go buy one and we will wave as we pass you with the symphony of blown v8 awesomeness!!!

[nstg8a]

A lot of arrogance showing through in some posts.

Just because someone says the gt is too expensive for them doesn't automatically mean they can't afford it.

I thought forums were for everyone to voice their opinion, not for some 'elitist' owners to deride others opinions because they have pointed out possible negatives in their precious vehicle choice.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by VW_060606

Seems like a few of you need to calm down a little bit. FPV and HSV are direct competitors whatever they are powered by, so when it comes to bang for buck, or the total package, they are always compared to one another. If you buy the HSV, good for you, because its a good vehicle, and if you buy the GT, then good for you, because it too is a good vehicle.

Can people who own these cars stop taking offense over something that isn't directed at them, cause that's getting old too. If you don't like someone's opinion thats fine, just ignore it.

Not necessarily offended, just bewilded. Better not to bag out something you know nothing about (not meaning yourself) rather than just make sweeping generalized and ignorant comments. So no ..... not going to ignore it but thanks for your offer.

Originally Posted by BOson

That's as relevant as saying find me one 6L ford for under 70k on road. How the engine does its thing for most people is just a means to an end - very few would actually buy the car just because its blown (eg. the supercharged VS commodore didnt set any sales records).

"Very few would buy the car because its blown" You are serious arent you? Really???

Just because someone says the gt is too expensive for them doesn't automatically mean they can't afford it.

I thought forums were for everyone to voice their opinion, not for some 'elitist' owners to deride others opinions because they have pointed out possible negatives in their precious vehicle choice.

Opinions are fine ....... everyone has one after all ...... its just that some use them in a very poor way. To make sweeping general statements are not necessary.

Originally Posted by Nikked

So cliff notes?

-FPV are still in the buisness of offereing perfomance Fords... Yes?
-The restructure is nothing more then a usuall buiness move...yes?
-FPV's factory will be implemented into the Ford facility...Yes?
-A new model will be released this year...yes?

Yes, sorry gone of on a tangent ...... yes?

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

"Very few would buy the car because its blown" You are serious arent you? Really???

HSV dont have any trouble moving units without one, so I'd argue it isnt a major sticking point for many buyers. There seems to have been so much discontent with the 5.4L, that even a NA 5L would have been a hit... yes? no?

[GTPete]

No, FPV needed to make a statement and this blown 5.0 is the current benchmark in Australian Performance engines.
Id argue that marketing is one factor behind the lack of FPV sales and to some degree possibly price.
But overall this blown engine is exactly what FPV buyers have been craving for a few years now.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

"Very few would actually buy the car because its blown" You are serious arent you? Really???

nice way to leave out the one word that completely changes the context of the sentence.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by b0son

HSV dont have any trouble moving units without one, so I'd argue it isnt a major sticking point for many buyers. There seems to have been so much discontent with the 5.4L, that even a NA 5L would have been a hit... yes? no?

Walkinshaw Performnce seem to find some buyers for their Supercharged versions...

[b2tf]

So a little disclaimer before I post.

No, I do not own an FPV.
Yes, I have driven lots of FPV's.
No, I will not be buying one anytime soon.
Yes, I would love to buy one - one day.

Three things come to mind when looking at the current FPV range:

1) They do not make enough vehicles - no utes other than F6. We've covered this a zillion times before but fact is lots of people (and theyre the ones with the money) WANT a v8 ute. The only option they have is a GS or a Maloo, and the GS is essentially a base model with a big engine.

2) The styling is polarising - but this can also be said about HSV. In my opinion the best era that both FPV and HSV had in terms of styling was the early 2000's - VY and VZ HSV looked tough and BA and BF FPV looked great also.

3) The price is high for what is (shock horror) essentially a tarted up Falcon. Call me what you like, say what you will, but it's my opinion and if I was in a position to buy it would be weighing heavily on my mind. I owned an FG XR8, was a great car. But one of the first things I noticed was that apart from the buldge there is little that seperated it from it's XR and G series cousins - the front bar, that's it. And in FPV form that is even more evident.
We all know what a weapon the Coyote is and I dont think anybody would argue it was a bad move for FPV to bring it in - it's nice to be on top in terms of power, but - and this has been commonly said amongst reviews also - the package is unifinished. We still have carryover wheels 8" wide (and sorry, no amount of vinyl justifies a 'special edition' where the major change is wheel width), we still have suspension that doesn't cope with putting the power down, we still have low spec interiors and utes getting short changed (and thats if they even bother to build them).

As i said, I am not an FPV owner. But I'm a brand enthusiast, I'm someone who uses forums and looks at these models and knows what he likes. And some day I'd love to pull out the cheque book and drive out in a brand new Super Pursuit (oh wait) optioned with wider wheels (oh wait) and no frigging racoon eyes (oh wait). I for one am hoping that any changes that might be going on at FPV right now bring about some new direction and perhaps a bit more enthusiasm, instead of seemingly continually accepting limitations.

[Herrod Motorsport]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Walkinshaw Performnce seem to find some buyers for their Supercharged versions...

Do think so , Walkinshaw have been laying off staff as well due to poor sales of Hsv and GM vehicles

[XRDeeze]

are their any parallels here between FPV and Ford itself? lots of money spent on the engine side of things, and still not relfected in sales numbers. perhaps too many Ford/FPV execs are engineers and not enough on the marketing/non-engine development side? there's no question Holden/HSV have lagged on the engineering side compared to Ford/FPV, yet they continue to outsell by a fair margin. maybe its time to find out what
customers actually want?[/quote]

Well what do you want mate? you pay for what you get and in this case you recieve way more then what you pay for imo. Ford Performance Vehicles. 4 door sedans with 335kw of power worth $70k are a bargain in any ones book.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by b2tf

3) The price is high for what is (shock horror) essentially a tarted up Falcon.

.

So, what GT was essentially not a tarted up falcon?