Interesting sequel to Hume Highway accident

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by b0son

in terms of road damage, one fully loaded 18-wheeler is equivalent to around 9600 cars (http://archive.gao.gov/f0302/109884.pdf).

truck rego is nowhere near 9600x higher than car rego.

Two problems here....
#1 We don't have 18 wheelers, the Seppo's do.
#2 The link doesn't work.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by b0son

18-wheeler

are you a yank?

edit, beaten

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

On the other side of the coin is the number of Trucks I've seen with new railway sleepers (steel & concrete) taking them out to places where the old timber ones are being replaced.

lol, that would never happen here, you've got the Railways Hate Society (Liberal-National Government) in charge and they are closing all the Tier 3 grain freight rail lines out in the bush. So how are the farmers going to get all their grain to the terminals now? That's right, putting more trucks on the road but the Government doesnt think so "no they won't derpy derp"

[prydey]

given this thread is about a tragic accident involving an 'at fault' truck driver, maybe we should consider how many deaths are caused by 'at fault' car drivers compared to 'at fault' truck drivers!!

why is it that when a truck is involved it suddenly becomes a much bigger story? do people go about trying to figure out ways of getting cars off the road every time there is a fatal involving cars?

[b0son]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Two problems here....
#1 We don't have 18 wheelers, the Seppo's do.

http://www.harryrclarke.com/2009/04/...externalities/

i'm not a mathematician, i dont know what the difference is between using axle weights rather than wheel weights as the primary measure.

either way, a fully loaded road train will causes THOUSANDS-fold damage to the road compared to a car.

#2 The link doesn't work.

remove the bracket

feel free to nitpick. but the crux of the argument still stands. if we made trucks pay for the damage they cause rather than spread it across all road users, taxpayers, etc, trucks would be made uncompetitive overnight.

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by prydey

why is it that when a truck is involved it suddenly becomes a much bigger story? do people go about trying to figure out ways of getting cars off the road every time there is a fatal involving cars?

because the people complaining are the ones who do not drive trucks - they have no idea on what they are talking about
they are blissfully unaware of what happens in most situations - actually no, the media reported on it, which means they know everything


and of course, they actually believe that if you remove trucks from the road, the world will be a better place. it will, if only looking at road congestion in some areas - in most other situations, it won't be though

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by b0son

http://www.harryrclarke.com/2009/04/...externalities/

Love the picture, someone built or photoshopped a road in a creek!

Originally Posted by b0son

remove the bracket

Ah, thanks. But that 'report' is from the US. They only (usually) have 5 axle trucks as against our 6 and can legally carry heavier weights on less axles. Eg: more damage per axle.

Originally Posted by b0son

if we made trucks pay for the damage they cause rather than spread it across all road users, taxpayers, etc, trucks would be made uncompetitive overnight.

And how would you get everything you need for day to day living?

[b0son]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

And how would you get everything you need for day to day living?

By train. Most of the fruit and veg at woolies is days/weeks old anyway.

[GhiaEB]

Originally Posted by b0son

By train. Most of the fruit and veg at woolies is days/weeks old anyway.

Would be great.... If they didn't let most of the rural rail network close down over the years.

Cheers

[Feathers]

Originally Posted by b0son

But we're comparing apples and oranges here. The trucking industry is heavily subsidised, and doesnt come close to paying its way (eg. truck rego costs should be far higher compared to cars on basis of kms travelled and damage done).

You have clearly never seen the amount rego and green slips cost for heavy vehicles these days then...

[prydey]

Originally Posted by b0son

By train. Most of the fruit and veg at woolies is days/weeks old anyway.

you must have a cool woolies. no train station at my woolies.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Feathers

You have clearly never seen the amount rego and green slips cost for heavy vehicles these days then...

You clearly arent aquainted with concept of context. Read a few of the other posts.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by prydey

you must have a cool woolies. no train station at my woolies.

Its not an all or nothing proposition, though unsurprisingly whenever anyone criticises our over-use of trucks, truckies always respond as if it were.

Trucks should be reserved for loacl freight, rail for long haul.

[new2ford]

Originally Posted by prydey

you must have a cool woolies. no train station at my woolies.

So do individual semi trailers go from the factory of each food producer direct to individual Woolies retailers without any intermediate handling? No, they go through distribution depots/warehouses and loaded onto other trucks just like rail freight. This is one of the simplistic arguments raised by road lobbyists against rail freight. Sure there is plenty of door to door stuff for which trucks are appropriate, but arguing against rail freight because it isn't (usually) door to door is plain daft. There's a huge lot of producer to depot stuff that can go by rail.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by b0son

Its not an all or nothing proposition, though unsurprisingly whenever anyone criticises our over-use of trucks, truckies always respond as if it were.

Trucks should be reserved for loacl freight, rail for long haul.

How would you propose getting freight from Melb to Bris ?

For freight to go to Syd from Melb it has to be containerised in melb and be at the rail terminal by 12:00 for delivery at the Syd rail terminal at about 12:00 the next day.

If it could be done quicker and cheaper (rail is MUCH cheaper than road) Toll, Patrick, Linfox, Startrack etc would be already doing this.

Rail is brilliant for bulk goods like Coal and Steel but not for general freight. All the above companies have tried sending things via rail but gone back to road.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Rail is brilliant for bulk goods like Coal and Steel but not for general freight. All the above companies have tried sending things via rail but gone back to road.

If road freight companies had to pay the true cost (ie. one in which they pay a meaningful rather than trivial contribution toward road maintenance), they would find a way to make rail happen again.

Much of what is sent overnight doesnt need to be. Charge a realistic price for this luxury, and see just how quickly people shift to a 2-3 day delivery service.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by GT-0733

you missed my point by a long way, old mate, and calling my comment stupid is quite insulting as i have an opinion based on where i live and the rail network that exists here.
you're comment is quite naive and unconstructive to my comment.
overnight in this neck of the woods is airfreight

most trucks on the road are loaded with airfreight.
you dont really beleve airfreight actually goes by air?
not in oz mainland!

[prydey]

Originally Posted by new2ford

So do individual semi trailers go from the factory of each food producer direct to individual Woolies retailers without any intermediate handling? No, they go through distribution depots/warehouses and loaded onto other trucks just like rail freight. This is one of the simplistic arguments raised by road lobbyists against rail freight. Sure there is plenty of door to door stuff for which trucks are appropriate, but arguing against rail freight because it isn't (usually) door to door is plain daft. There's a huge lot of producer to depot stuff that can go by rail.

hows your sense of humour

[stalker]

slightly off topic any one hear about the Keith weigh bridge (SA) just saw a photo of it, looking a little flat atm...

they have been using them flat out lately i think some people might have had enough.. know a few people now that have gotten fines over their log books from months ago small issues 600 buck fine, 2 month old trucks being defected, trailors etc etc.. they are getting ruff in SA pulling everyone over, people that try and avoid it are being turned into cops by the fairy operators as they dont normally use the the fairys.. too much has happened of late with scotts of mt gambier etc.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by b0son

If road freight companies had to pay the true cost (ie. one in which they pay a meaningful rather than trivial contribution toward road maintenance), they would find a way to make rail happen again.e.

As I mentioned before ALL registration, road charges, parking fines, speeding fines goes towards GENERAL REVENUE!! None of it goes towards road upkeep!

Road maintenance is up to State and Federal Governments as is Rail funding.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by stalker

people that try and avoid it are being turned into cops by the fairy operators as they dont normally use the the fairys..

They have little people with wings operating ferrys over there?

Prydey, what are you people in Adders up to now ?

[prydey]

Originally Posted by stalker

slightly off topic any one hear about the Keith weigh bridge (SA) just saw a photo of it, looking a little flat atm...

quite a few years back when the pads at ohalloran hill were still being used occasionally, the same thing happened to the little building there. flattened

[stalker]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

They have little people with wings operating ferrys over there?

Prydey, what are you people in Adders up to now ?

you know what i mean, doesnt stop the fact that someone set the BBQ on fire a little ironic...

[flappist]

Keep it civil and lay off the bickering guys

[prydey]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Prydey, what are you people in Adders up to now ?

does anyone really know? anyone?

you should see the road we are building now. first we build a one way road and brag that its the first of its kind in the world (there's a good reason for that) and now we are spending millions duplicating it so it goes both ways (when they built it originally you think they might have been smart enough to make all the overpasses wide enough for future development!!)

now we are building some super highway in the sky. yep, a road above south road. not sure what its going to achieve exactly as last i checked, all the businesses were still on the ground floor

[b0son]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Road maintenance is up to State and Federal Governments as is Rail funding.

thats a separate issue, and isnt a particularly strong argument against have the truck industry pay more.

[stalker]

SA development is crazy plain and simple.. i remember the south rd one, used to live in reynella.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by prydey

you should see the road we are building now. first we build a one way road

when i moved to Adelaide a few years back, it was one hell of a WTF moment.

as were the parking meters that could take any coin but a 50c one.

I think half-arsed must be a requirement in all government projects...

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by prydey

does anyone really know? anyone?

you should see the road we are building now. first we build a one way road and brag that its the first of its kind in the world (there's a good reason for that) and now we are spending millions duplicating it so it goes both ways (when they built it originally you think they might have been smart enough to make all the overpasses wide enough for future development!!)

now we are building some super highway in the sky. yep, a road above south road. not sure what its going to achieve exactly as last i checked, all the businesses were still on the ground floor

super duper highway thats for sure.. i go through there every day on the way to work.. very impressive scale of it all......

then you get to south / torrens / port rds... and its all clusters... tooo hard fix...

[new2ford]

Originally Posted by prydey

hows your sense of humour

lol, obviously momentarily lapsed there sorry