Ricky Muir

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by cheap

Ricky is already there locked in step...

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nati...-1226992359479

Ricky sides with the PUP's and refuses to support The Clerk of the Senate, not a good look for the Ricky. Give him go, not being fair, he is his own man, independent, with a conscious, at least that's the impression he and others want you to believe. Didn't take long did it, told you so

Welcome back Cheap, missed ya
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JP

[simon varley]

well, looks like even his own party are ****ed at him now. www.smh.com.au

[Elks]

Well the Victorian branch are. I don't know why.

[steve.zissou]

I was once privy to a similar TV scenario.

It was a high profile topic, they guy they wanted to interview was quite smart but it was obvious they wanted to use editing to push their own agenda (the tv show).

This guy got some very good advice and said he will only do a live interview so they couldn't mess with him. In the end they compromised and got a contract drawn up where the interview would be pre-recorded and would only go for 3 minutes. It would either be shown in its entirity or not at all (no editing).

He ended up doing very well, but because of that, the station didnt air it (they wanted to paint him as an extremist of sorts. I learnt a lot from being involved in that.

Every one that has formed an opinion based on his interview is forming a view based on what the commercial media want you to see.

I figured out a long time ago that there is a lot more to politics that what we are presented with.

I say, switch off the TV and actually get involved - but sadly the majority don't and wont, and that probably why Australia is headed in the wrong direction.

[wookie836]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-0...y-muir/5640862

[Cashie]

Originally Posted by wookie836

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-0...y-muir/5640862

Reads like some sort of joke, "they were never a part of the party", "their branch doesn't exist"... well who the hell are the MEP then?
Surely we should expect more from a sanctioned formal political party?

[BadMax]

The Victoria branch or AMEP got the ***** up last year and pulled the pin. They thought it was a walk up start and could just sit around doing bugger all and get somewhere.

[cheap]

A lot of upheaval within the Motorist party. Maybe time for a name change to more accurately describe whats happening let see, Locomotive & Train Wreck party. Is anyone surprised?

[wookie836]

the victorian council for the federal AMEP party was sacked, those in question have been ringing up anyone that would listen and the media love anything that brings stability into the spotlight for everyone to eat up.
the guys that were sacked held a meeting and voted to disband this week, that problems over. they were not representing AMEP at all, just themselves. Ricky is still part of AMEP and there will be another victorian council elected soon

the majority of the party are just volunteers who were pretty much caught with their pants down when muir managed to get elected. theyre not moving as fast as people want to see and are remaining out of the medias games and not airing their dirty laundry in the public

[naddis01]

Originally Posted by cheap

A lot of upheaval within the Motorist party. Maybe time for a name change to more accurately describe whats happening let see, Locomotive & Train Wreck party. Is anyone surprised?

Or just join the PUP and be done with it. From where I sit he (Mr Muir) is just a Palmer puppet.

[xxx000]

Originally Posted by steve.zissou

I was once privy to a similar TV scenario.

It was a high profile topic, they guy they wanted to interview was quite smart but it was obvious they wanted to use editing to push their own agenda (the tv show).

This guy got some very good advice and said he will only do a live interview so they couldn't mess with him. In the end they compromised and got a contract drawn up where the interview would be pre-recorded and would only go for 3 minutes. It would either be shown in its entirity or not at all (no editing).

He ended up doing very well, but because of that, the station didnt air it (they wanted to paint him as an extremist of sorts. I learnt a lot from being involved in that.

Every one that has formed an opinion based on his interview is forming a view based on what the commercial media want you to see.

I figured out a long time ago that there is a lot more to politics that what we are presented with.

I say, switch off the TV and actually get involved - but sadly the majority don't and wont, and that probably why Australia is headed in the wrong direction.

You seem to be seriously suggesting that Muir may be completely different to how he comes across and may be worthy of $195K p/a for six years.

He's just sacked his chief of staff and quite clearly is way out of his depth so has attached himself to the PUP to give himself some direction.

To me his election shows how gullible some people are that they'd cast their vote on the day for a party based solely on a name and with no real idea of its policies or objectives.
Even if his party was supportive of 'motoring enthusiasts' should that even be the #1 priority for any reasonable thinking person in this day and age?

It seems more and more like Pauline Hansons original party and the way it imploded due to internal power struggles.

[Bill M]

Interesting comments! I sense double standards here, given all the leadership ructions and preselection manouverving that happens with ALL mainstream parties when a new comer like AMEP does the same they are singled out?
Why would anyone be surprised at politicians behaving like politicians?

AMEP by its title claims to represent motoring enthusiasts so if they fall short of what they claim to stand for then they will either evaporate or be consumed by bigger fish.
Usually the loudest detractors have firm footings in other organisations

[Maka]

"Peter Kazantzis, who represented the Victorian council of the party, said they simply wanted to hear from either Mr Littler or Senator Muir.

"The point of this was that the Victorian members of the party, for close to a year now, have been calling for Keith and, in particular, for Ricky to address the people [so they could] understand a little bit better about what he stands for," he told 774 ABC Melbourne."

Yeah i called for the same too, now we know why Ricky's been quiet ..... (:

cheers, Maka

[amiers]

I rarely get involved in political or religious debt. however I think what ALL of Australia need to stop and have a long hard think about is the fact people like Mr Muir have a direct say in what happens in your lives. We all have different positions on the political front, but we do want people who are up to the task.

The senate is there to make sure the right and fair legislation gets through. Now that also doesn't mean it is right for all. So we need people who have experience in politics. All senators should have held some form of elected political position before being allowed to nominate for the senate.

[BadMax]

Some of you are calling for 'experienced' or seasoned politicians. Apart from being groomed by a political party their farther, grand farther or great grand father was a part of, how else is an individual to gain experience?

Finish some bollocks university degree to gain a piece of paper stating they have completed studies, join a political party and never have any real world experience or know what it's like to be a worker or unemployed and struggling?
No different than school teachers who know nothing more than high school, uni then teaching...gives me the ***** it does!

Experience counts for a lot, but it also can't be taught!

[xxx000]

Originally Posted by Bill M

Interesting comments! I sense double standards here, given all the leadership ructions and preselection manouverving that happens with ALL mainstream parties when a new comer like AMEP does the same they are singled out?
Why would anyone be surprised at politicians behaving like politicians?

AMEP by its title claims to represent motoring enthusiasts so if they fall short of what they claim to stand for then they will either evaporate or be consumed by bigger fish.
Usually the loudest detractors have firm footings in other organisations

even if the AMEP evaporates quickly Muir will be in for 6 years and have earned around 1.2 million. He's there to do a job and supposedly represent those who voted for him and for the good of the country.
Voting for a senator and party based solely on a party name and hoping that the name accurately represents their aims and objectives is simplistic and wishful thinking in the extreme.

[cheap]

Originally Posted by xxx000

even if the AMEP evaporates quickly Muir will be in for 6 years and have earned around 1.2 million. He's there to do a job and supposedly represent those who voted for him and for the good of the country.
Voting for a senator and party based solely on a party name and hoping that the name accurately represents their aims and objectives is simplistic and wishful thinking in the extreme.

Didn't take long, he's had a sip from the poisoned political trough and thought yummy, sure beats the $40k he was earning sorting out firewood.

If only we had a pay based on performance system, we'd have a better system and a lot of worthless pollies collecting their true worth.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by cheap

Didn't take long, he's had a sip from the poisoned political trough and thought yummy, sure beats the $40k he was earning sorting out firewood.

If only we had a pay based on performance system, we'd have a better system and a lot of worthless pollies collecting their true worth.

Oh well whether you like it or not he is going to be there for another 6 years funded by the tax payers.

[cheap]

Originally Posted by trublu

Oh well whether you like it or not he is going to be there for another 6 years funded by the tax payers.

Not sure why you'd think it is funny, he is ****ing your money away too

I doubt he will last his term. In a short period of time, his party is imploding, he is surrounded by all sorts of suspect people pulling and shoving him, plus he is stupid. He's the proverbial political dead man walking.

[Bill M]

Originally Posted by xxx000

even if the AMEP evaporates quickly Muir will be in for 6 years and have earned around 1.2 million. He's there to do a job and supposedly represent those who voted for him and for the good of the country.
Voting for a senator and party based solely on a party name and hoping that the name accurately represents their aims and objectives is simplistic and wishful thinking in the extreme.

I agree entirely, I assume you picked up on the reference "politicians behaving like politicians" and understood the meaning.
The standout pollies are few and far between from either side.

Being realistic I don't expect too much from a minor party and one senator but if he is responsible for some positive outcomes concerning motoring enthusiasts then as being an enthusiast I would welcome it.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by cheap

Not sure why you'd think it is funny, he is ****ing your money away too

I doubt he will last his term. In a short period of time, his party is imploding, he is surrounded by all sorts of suspect people pulling and shoving him, plus he is stupid. He's the proverbial political dead man walking.

What he is ****ing away is nothing compared to other politicians!

[BadMax]

Why is his new salary such a focal point for so many? It's not as though Muir is the only politician to be on the that salary or higher and he's hardly ****ed away his salary in comparison to some of the stunts other politicians pull with the extra 'benefits' they spend!

You trust your current crop of politicians? How many of you are aware of the pending anti piracy laws? They'll track everything you download and start slowly blocking you from content they think you shouldn't have, whilst Australians continue to pay massive 'Australia' tax on downloads!
http://www.cnet.com/au/news/governme...vide-industry/

If you care enough to get hung up of one little bloke, much like us, you're the one with the problem! Have a look around you, legislation passed while you're being baffled with bull **** elsewhere to keep you occupied. Oh look over there, it's the AFL and Essendon scandal...

[cheap]

Originally Posted by BadMax

Why is his new salary such a focal point for so many? It's not as though Muir is the only politician to be on the that salary or higher and he's hardly ****ed away his salary in comparison to some of the stunts other politicians pull with the extra 'benefits' they spend!

You trust your current crop of politicians? How many of you are aware of the pending anti piracy laws? They'll track everything you download and start slowly blocking you from content they think you shouldn't have, whilst Australians continue to pay massive 'Australia' tax on downloads!
http://www.cnet.com/au/news/governme...vide-industry/

If you care enough to get hung up of one little bloke, much like us, you're the one with the problem! Have a look around you, legislation passed while you're being baffled with bull **** elsewhere to keep you occupied. Oh look over there, it's the AFL and Essendon scandal...

Fear not Ricky is on the case and has already worked out the pro-motoring aspects of the proposed piracy legislation, he see's the legislation as more people getting away from their computers downloads (aka stealing stuff) and doing old fashioned stuff like talking to one another, walking the dog and going for a drive, hmm maybe there is some merit to the laws.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by trublu

What he is ****ing away is nothing compared to other politicians!

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politi...#ixzz39HAczSsB

$76,000 each flight, sometimes flying just for one or two people, for flights which the commercial airliners fly, not bad.

[Lotte]

Originally Posted by cheap

Fear not Ricky is on the case and has already worked out the pro-motoring aspects of the proposed piracy legislation, he see's the legislation as more people getting away from their computers downloads (aka stealing stuff) and doing old fashioned stuff like talking to one another, walking the dog and going for a drive, hmm maybe there is some merit to the laws.

You never fail to amaze me....

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by cheap

Fear not Ricky is on the case and has already worked out the pro-motoring aspects of the proposed piracy legislation, he see's the legislation as more people getting away from their computers downloads (aka stealing stuff) and doing old fashioned stuff like talking to one another, walking the dog and going for a drive, hmm maybe there is some merit to the laws.

It allows the big overseas multinationals to easily sue local governments, business and people in a big way.

Not what you want:

Public interest issues:

http://www.choice.com.au/reviews-and...%20issues.aspx

Jail for copyright breaches: (Royalty issues too)

http://www.choice.com.au/reviews-and...copyright.aspx

[BHDOGS]

I do love the deliciousness of Abott being stuck with fatty palmer and ricky hot rod after all the crap he gave red hed and translator for dealing with the greens.

[cheap]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

It allows the big overseas multinationals to easily sue local governments, business and people in a big way.

Not what you want:

Public interest issues:

http://www.choice.com.au/reviews-and...%20issues.aspx

Jail for copyright breaches: (Royalty issues too)

http://www.choice.com.au/reviews-and...copyright.aspx

Email Ricky with your concerns, assuming of course that he knows how to use a computer, my advice stick to simple words

[GREGL]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

I do love the deliciousness of Abott being stuck with fatty palmer and ricky hot rod after all the crap he gave red hed and translator for dealing with the greens.

The difference is Labor use the greens to get into power , knowing full well they will have to bend over at a later date . Abbott on the other hand has been forced to deal with a hostile senate straight out of the box . One loaded with fruitcakes with their own agendas , NOT what the majority of Australians voted for .

[karj]

Originally Posted by GREGL

The difference is Labor use the greens to get into power , knowing full well they will have to bend over at a later date . Abbott on the other hand has been forced to deal with a hostile senate straight out of the box . One loaded with fruitcakes with their own agendas , NOT what the majority of Australians voted for .

I tend to disagree with that analysis. If you consider the 2013 election result as Abbott being forced to deal with a difficult/hostile Upper House straight out of the box, then you must surely consider the 2010 election result as both Gillard and Abbott being forced to deal with a difficult/hostile Lower and Upper House straight out of the box.

As it happened, common ground was found in the negotiations of 2010 between Labor, 2 rural independents, a Tasmanian independent and 1 Victorian Greens MP such that Labor was able to get the numbers in the Lower House to form a minority Government. Looking at the numbers of the 2010 election and considering the natural inclinations of Crook, Katter, Windsor & Oakeshott, it could just as easily have been Abbott that formed minority goverment in 2010 and probably would have been if he hadn't made such a hash of the negotiations by telling Windsor that he'd do anything to get power.

The 2010 complete hung-parliament is not really that much different to the 2013 partial hung-parliament if you think about it... negotiation will take place and deals/compromises will be done in order to progress the Government's agenda.