Fastest P-Plate Legal Car

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by jweb

An all P-Platers will be able to Afford Golf R32 and BMW Z3 etc,you have to be kidding get realistic,and read my prior post.Only car's that P platers would be likely to afford that means anything over 20k is pushing it.
The likes of Honda Intergra Type S and R,Honda Prelude VTI-R seem to be one of the best allround Performer's for P plate cars.
Lotus .

If 20k is pushing it forget the 2002+ Integra Type R or the even newer, more expensive Type S. A 2000 Type R yes.

Anyway...

You can buy a BMW Z3 2.8 (142kW 2.8L I6) for 28-30k, a Mk1 Lotus Elise (1997+, 88kW, 675kg) for 30-35k. An Integra Type R is 18-24k and a Ralliart Magna is in a similar price range. If you can get to the mid 20k range on your P's, I'm sure haggling on a 28k Z3 isn't too much of a stretch. Or an E36 328i or even E46 328i, an earlier one (1998). And they're much better cars then the Honda & Mitsubishi offerings.

Originally Posted by jweb

Also No Engine Modifications allowed,Which means the 2 of the 3 cars you chose Steffo could not be bought by a P plater.

The cars linked are a quick example. Anyone with an IQ of 65 should be able to figure that out. They're an example of a car and what they cost, doesn't mean they have to buy that particular one.

Is that perhaps above your comprehension ability or are you trying to be funny? :togo:

Oh and to further shoot down your sub-par comment... one of the modified examples linked is actually the ugly Magna that you've been defending. The Clio 182 and 206 GTi180 I linked were both stock standard. Oops. :

[Disciple]

Ralliart Magnas can be had for under $20k, I should know cause I'm selling mine for $17.5k.

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by Disciple

Ralliart Magnas can be had for under $20k, I should know cause I'm selling mine for $17.5k.

And I said 18-24k for their prices. How many km on yours? Most of the 20-24k ones are 45,000 - 60,000km. Most of the stuff I saw for a good bit under 20k were 100,000km+.

[Rev28K]

Originally Posted by Steffo

You can buy a BMW Z3 2.8 (142kW 2.8L I6) for 28-30k..... I'm sure haggling on a 28k Z3 isn't too much of a stretch. Or an E36 328i or even E46 328i, an earlier one (1998). And they're much better cars then the Honda & Mitsubishi offerings.

Z3 better? maybe? A 3.0 litre manual yes, a 3.0 litre auto maybe, anything less and a DC2R Integra would keep them honest especially at a tighter track where they can’t use the straights to power away. The Z3 wasn’t BMW’s finest moment certainly not the ultimate driving machine (I still like the M coupe version though).

I did a 10 lap sprint years ago when I was in a Honda CRX (D16 engine not a Vtec) and the other driver was in a Z3 2.8, they did catch up and pass me but it wasn’t the total domination that both of us were expecting. When they upgraded to a Z3 M later on it was “bye bye CRX”.

[XR8-260]

The TJ Magna VRX (manual) should warrant consideration, especially when they sell for around 11K. Unlike the Ralliart version, the stying is not over the top. It may not be the fastest option, but good drivers are getting high 14s stock.

[XR8-260]

Originally Posted by Rev28K

Z3 better? maybe? A 3.0 litre manual yes, a 3.0 litre auto maybe, anything less and a DC2R Integra would keep them honest especially at a tighter track where they can’t use the straights to power away. The Z3 wasn’t BMW’s finest moment certainly not the ultimate driving machine (I still like the M coupe version though).

Agreed. I'd take an Integra Type R anyday over an overpriced and underpowered (4cyl version) Z3. I would even prefer it over the 2.8L version.

[jweb]

Originally Posted by Steffo

If 20k is pushing it forget the 2002+ Integra Type R or the even newer, more expensive Type S. A 2000 Type R yes.

Anyway...

You can buy a BMW Z3 2.8 (142kW 2.8L I6) for 28-30k, a Mk1 Lotus Elise (1997+, 88kW, 675kg) for 30-35k. An Integra Type R is 18-24k and a Ralliart Magna is in a similar price range. If you can get to the mid 20k range on your P's, I'm sure haggling on a 28k Z3 isn't too much of a stretch. Or an E36 328i or even E46 328i, an earlier one (1998). And they're much better cars then the Honda & Mitsubishi offerings.



The cars linked are a quick example. Anyone with an IQ of 65 should be able to figure that out. They're an example of a car and what they cost, doesn't mean they have to buy that particular one.

Is that perhaps above your comprehension ability or are you trying to be funny? :togo:

Oh and to further shoot down your sub-par comment... one of the modified examples linked is actually the ugly Magna that you've been defending. The Clio 182 and 206 GTi180 I linked were both stock standard. Oops. :

Wow an IQ of 65, ,you have not a clue of my intelignece.Obviously that kind of personal attack is to create a better opinion of yourself,and appear to seem inteligent.Maybe i embaressed you and you felt inferior so you had to seem superior by trying to discredit me, and make me seem unintelligent : .

I was aware that you where quoting the above vehicles as examples, it was obvious ,just thought i would point it out as you seemed unwilling to listen to anyone and from what i have seen would do the same.
Also if you read the Comment i posted i did say that not all of the Car examples where included.
The VW GTi is a turbo and therfore is unapproachable by a P-plater in NSW.I Am not a Fan of the Mistubishi Magna,even tho you seem to think i am,i was just pointing out that Quoted 0-100 times,put it in The list of Quickest P plate cars regardless of my opinion of it,this seems to be a fact with the average tested times being in the vicinity.Your argument in regards to the

Magna being ugly is ludicrous,A car being ugly dosent affect its 0-100 time,unless the design reduced areodynamic efficiency increasing the coefficient of drag and or mass of the vehicle.
I am also Aware of the price Of Integra's,please make sure you thoroughly read posts before you react in an obscene manner.As for stretching A P-platers budget to 28k,is this a serious point?,With most P-Platers even 1k more is a huge stretch(K being base SI unit 10^3).
This thread is about "fastest P-Plate cars",Please note the words "fastest" and "P-Plate",Simply meaning vehicles that the majority not the minority can afford and,cars are added to the list based on there 0-100 times.

"Oh and to further shoot down your sub-par comment"
Was my comment Sub-par?,please give me a definition of What a sub-standard comment is im very intrested.Shoot down-brilliant use of a collqiual phrase and metaphor,as for it making you seem more intelligent ...maybe not.
Not wishing to start an argument with you,it just seems you are very arrogant in regards to fact,and also in reacting to other peoples posts.(please feel free to ridicual me for my spelling,Spelling;has nothing to do with intelligence(arguably).

[MNM96]

There would unlikely be a P Plate legit car which you can't break the law in, so if what you are after is to speed, which is illegal, than why worry about abiding by the P Plate regs? Get yourself a nice shiny Lambo! A yellow one does it for me!

Mike

[MNM96]

Originally Posted by Steffo

If 20k is pushing it forget the 2002+ Integra Type R or the even newer, more expensive Type S. A 2000 Type R yes.

Anyway...

Ralliart Magna is in a similar price range. I

You could almost buy 2 Magnas for that! ( or you are paying WAY TOO MUCH for them)

[Disciple]

You could buy a stock manual Magna TH Sports for $8k and run 14's stock. Beat that.

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by jweb

Wow an IQ of 65, ,you have not a clue of my intelignece.Obviously that kind of personal attack is to create a better opinion of yourself,and appear to seem inteligent.Maybe i embaressed you and you felt inferior so you had to seem superior by trying to discredit me, and make me seem unintelligent : .

I was aware that you where quoting the above vehicles as examples, it was obvious ,just thought i would point it out as you seemed unwilling to listen to anyone and from what i have seen would do the same.
Also if you read the Comment i posted i did say that not all of the Car examples where included.
The VW GTi is a turbo and therfore is unapproachable by a P-plater in NSW.I Am not a Fan of the Mistubishi Magna,even tho you seem to think i am,i was just pointing out that Quoted 0-100 times,put it in The list of Quickest P plate cars regardless of my opinion of it,this seems to be a fact with the average tested times being in the vicinity.Your argument in regards to the

Magna being ugly is ludicrous,A car being ugly dosent affect its 0-100 time,unless the design reduced areodynamic efficiency increasing the coefficient of drag and or mass of the vehicle.
I am also Aware of the price Of Integra's,please make sure you thoroughly read posts before you react in an obscene manner.As for stretching A P-platers budget to 28k,is this a serious point?,With most P-Platers even 1k more is a huge stretch(K being base SI unit 10^3).
This thread is about "fastest P-Plate cars",Please note the words "fastest" and "P-Plate",Simply meaning vehicles that the majority not the minority can afford and,cars are added to the list based on there 0-100 times.

"Oh and to further shoot down your sub-par comment"
Was my comment Sub-par?,please give me a definition of What a sub-standard comment is im very intrested.Shoot down-brilliant use of a collqiual phrase and metaphor,as for it making you seem more intelligent ...maybe not.
Not wishing to start an argument with you,it just seems you are very arrogant in regards to fact,and also in reacting to other peoples posts.(please feel free to ridicual me for my spelling,Spelling;has nothing to do with intelligence(arguably).

Yes, I am arrogant, and admit to it quite freely. And if you think that was a personal attack... I was trying my best not to make it a personal attack to the point of not directly saying anything about you, note, "anyone with a," is not equal to, "you..."

There are a wide variety of P-Plate drivers out there. Most that I know could only dream of buying even a Ralliart Magna. Most of them are over the moon when they are able spend $5000 on a Pulsar SSS.

Then you have other, like me. I can afford to buy a $40,000 car. Which puts me in the market for much faster things then a Magna Ralliart. Like a MkIV R32 Golf (5.8 sec 0-100), Alfa Romeo 147 GTA (5.6 sec 0-100), Lotus Elise Mk1 (5.5 sec 0-100), BMW Z3 2.8 Roadster (6.1 0-100), BMW E46 330Ci (5.7 0-100) etc etc. So now with myself also being a P-Plater, how does that place the Ralliart Magna in a "faster P-Plate legal car," area for me? It doesn't. Its firmly sat as one of the slower, cheaper options.

When I bought my Clio Sport I didn't have the buying power I do now, however.

Then of course you have the extremley rich (know a few of those too). Who can afford brand new cars like the BMW Z4 3.0si (5.4 0-100), VW Golf V R32 DSG (5.3-5.5 0-100), BMW 130i M Sport (5.8 0-100), Lotus Exige II (4.9 0-100) etc etc. Now why would your Ralliart Magna being in the faster group apply to these P-Platers at all? They wouldn't even look at a car like that!

You're trying to argue budget and failing. Now if the argument was "Fastest P-Plate legal car for $20,000," then your argument would be very valid. But outright, it gets hosed by many alternatives.

Oh and your first paragraph was more of a personal attack then any of my previous post.

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by Rev28K

Z3 better? maybe? A 3.0 litre manual yes, a 3.0 litre auto maybe, anything less and a DC2R Integra would keep them honest especially at a tighter track where they can’t use the straights to power away. The Z3 wasn’t BMW’s finest moment certainly not the ultimate driving machine (I still like the M coupe version though).

I did a 10 lap sprint years ago when I was in a Honda CRX (D16 engine not a Vtec) and the other driver was in a Z3 2.8, they did catch up and pass me but it wasn’t the total domination that both of us were expecting. When they upgraded to a Z3 M later on it was “bye bye CRX”.

From what I've seen, the Z3 2.8 with the M Sport upgrades (suspension etc) is a pretty good bit of kit. In my opinion its a much better car then an ITR. I agree though, the Z3 wasn't BMW at its best...

[Disciple]

My Ralliart Magna will do 0-100 in sub 4 sec because I drive it and I should know. Back off Steffo, I've driven it mate, it must be true. Through all my driving experience, it is true. 0-100 3.9 sec. :togo:

[jweb]

Originally Posted by Steffo

Yes, I am arrogant, and admit to it quite freely. And if you think that was a personal attack... I was trying my best not to make it a personal attack to the point of not directly saying anything about you, note, "anyone with a," is not equal to, "you..."

There are a wide variety of P-Plate drivers out there. Most that I know could only dream of buying even a Ralliart Magna. Most of them are over the moon when they are able spend $5000 on a Pulsar SSS.

Then you have other, like me. I can afford to buy a $40,000 car. Which puts me in the market for much faster things then a Magna Ralliart. Like a MkIV R32 Golf (5.8 sec 0-100), Alfa Romeo 147 GTA (5.6 sec 0-100), Lotus Elise Mk1 (5.5 sec 0-100), BMW Z3 2.8 Roadster (6.1 0-100), BMW E46 330Ci (5.7 0-100) etc etc. So now with myself also being a P-Plater, how does that place the Ralliart Magna in a "faster P-Plate legal car," area for me? It doesn't. Its firmly sat as one of the slower, cheaper options.

When I bought my Clio Sport I didn't have the buying power I do now, however.

Then of course you have the extremley rich (know a few of those too). Who can afford brand new cars like the BMW Z4 3.0si (5.4 0-100), VW Golf V R32 DSG (5.3-5.5 0-100), BMW 130i M Sport (5.8 0-100), Lotus Exige II (4.9 0-100) etc etc. Now why would your Ralliart Magna being in the faster group apply to these P-Platers at all? They wouldn't even look at a car like that!

You're trying to argue budget and failing. Now if the argument was "Fastest P-Plate legal car for $20,000," then your argument would be very valid. But outright, it gets hosed by many alternatives.

Oh and your first paragraph was more of a personal attack then any of my previous post.

So the fact that you used my post as a quote,the post was in no way directed at me : ,dont believe that for a second.As my argument in regards to budget failing,i dont see that it is.I see you'r argument in regards to fastest P-plate cars,but you are looking at it from your situation,i was talking about the majority of P-Platers,and the Thread subject is about this.
For you personally it may not be the fastest but the intended use of this thread is to get a realistic list of fastest P-plate cars,from what i understand then again my IQ is only 65 (sarcasim).
As for my post being a Personal attack on you,it was a retaliation to your attack on me,and also an analysis of your argument and post wether it be A personal attack is arguable.
As for some P-platers not even being able to afford a nissan pulsar,or equivalant car for 5k,im not sure if this is the majority maybe it is,that said how about some cars in that price range then.Construtive criticism is useful,not pointless Opinionated dribble.

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by jweb

So the fact that you used my post as a quote,the post was in no way directed at me : ,dont believe that for a second.As my argument in regards to budget failing,i dont see that it is.I see you'r argument in regards to fastest P-plate cars,but you are looking at it from your situation,i was talking about the majority of P-Platers,and the Thread subject is about this.
For you personally it may not be the fastest but the intended use of this thread is to get a realistic list of fastest P-plate cars,from what i understand then again my IQ is only 65 (sarcasim).
As for my post being a Personal attack on you,it was a retaliation to your attack on me,and also an analysis of your argument and post wether it be A personal attack is arguable.
As for some P-platers not even being able to afford a nissan pulsar,or equivalant car for 5k,im not sure if this is the majority maybe it is,that said how about some cars in that price range then.Construtive criticism is useful,not pointless Opinionated dribble.

There's plenty of good stuff if we look at that ~5k price-range, as mensioned...

Nissan Pulsar SSS
Peugeot 205 GTi
Volkswagen Golf GTI (MkII... MkI if you can find one)
Volkswagen Golf VR6 (MkIII)
Seat Ibiza GTi
Ford Falcon XR6 (EBII, ED)
Those old GTi Corolla things with the 4AGE in them
Toyota MR2 (AW11)

etc etc.

Believe what you want, but my comment was not a personal attack on you.

That above list is a more 'realistic,' list as far as fast P-Plate legal cars to a budget go IMO, accounting for the majority of 17-19 years olds I know (ie: don't have 15-20k to blow on a car).

Originally Posted by Disciple

My Ralliart Magna will do 0-100 in sub 4 sec because I drive it and I should know. Back off Steffo, I've driven it mate, it must be true. Through all my driving experience, it is true. 0-100 3.9 sec. :togo:

What the hell are you on about? Sorry but I can't derive any rationale from that post.

[Rev28K]

Originally Posted by Steffo

From what I've seen, the Z3 2.8 with the M Sport upgrades (suspension etc) is a pretty good bit of kit. In my opinion its a much better car then an ITR. I agree though, the Z3 wasn't BMW at its best...

From the times I could see on the BMWCCV website the “little” Z3’s weren’t that impressive on the tracks that I’ve been to. I've also heard people express the opinion that the Vic chapter is a bit less hardcore than the NSW club as well. Mind you the red hot drivers like to have the red hot cars (the M power cars not the 2.8 or 3.0), it might have been wet, the driver was having an off day or mech problems, all kinds of reasons why someone was slow on the day (e.g. fuel starvation was costing me 2 seconds on the weekend).

Even with those qualifiers I still reckon that the Honda would be close behind the 2.8 Z3 – Motor only got a 1:45.28 out of a 3.0 auto Z3 at PCOTY (Winton), slightly quicker than I’d expect a stock DC2R to do around there. I was surprised how competitive I was when I ran with an E30 racing series car (2.5 litre) http://www.e30racing.com.au/ a year or so ago and If I ever line up against a 2.8 Z3 at a track day (both of us on R-spec tyres natch) I’d certainly feel keen to see how good they really are.

[GSH]

Originally Posted by TZENU

What are those little VTECH's like nowadays?? :

Really depends what price range you are looking at..

Damn fast. My friend had the old Square CRX 1990 had the 1.6litre VTEC...had a K&N cool air intake and an exhaust. 180,000kms on the clock. And poped out a 15.25 1/4.........and a 6.7 0-100kph. Cost him 4k when he bought it.

VTEC is crazy. Imagine that with more mods than just a K&N and an exhaust. Not even extractors!

[GSH]

They say the quickest P-Plate legal car is a Commodore XU6...supercharged...They rekon its just under what they cut the limit off at and the things nuts.

[normxb]

Now here is a Quote from a younger member with some "Brains" , you spend at least 11+ years at school , so what is 3 years doing the Right/Legal thing . Or from the other end , 60 years of driving "if you survive the first "3" . Such a small price to pay .

Fastest (Red) P-plate legal car = One that will travel at 90 kph
Fastest (Green) P-plate legal car = One that will travel at 100 kph

When you're on your "Full Licence" (and still alive) then join the High Performance drivers and Enjoy your Ride .

Originally Posted by TonkoXR8

Why do you need the "fastest p-plate legal car?"
Heres a shocking thought, Learn to drive first, get some experience up and learn from the mistakes you made in that old shitbox...
Or do some of you just want to do it to show off and "stick it up the cops"?
Learn the basics first, and then move on....

Another good Quote

Originally Posted by MNM96

There would unlikely be a P Plate legit car which you can't break the law in, so if what you are after is to speed, which is illegal, than why worry about abiding by the P Plate regs? Get yourself a nice shiny Lambo! A yellow one does it for me!

Mike....

Norm....................... (an old Phart , but still alive)

[sleekism]

Originally Posted by normxb

Now here is a Quote from a younger member with some "Brains" , you spend at least 11+ years at school , so what is 3 years doing the Right/Legal thing . Or from the other end , 60 years of driving "if you survive the first "3" . Such a small price to pay .

Fastest (Red) P-plate legal car = One that will travel at 90 kph
Fastest (Green) P-plate legal car = One that will travel at 100 kph

When you're on your "Full Licence" (and still alive) then join the High Performance drivers and Enjoy your Ride .



Another good Quote



Norm....................... (an old Phart , but still alive)

Sorry I'm not going to swallow that bullshit about wait until you are on your full licence because then you are more experienced.

How the hell does an absence of a P on your car make you a better driver?

Why is it that I am old enough to die for my country in a war but not old enough to drive?

What about all the shocking full licence drivers out there it's perfectly ok for them to drive a supercharged V8?? It's okay for a 90 year old retiree to buy a twin turbo Hummer and plow down little kids because she can't see past the steering wheel??

These laws are bullshit I work 50 plus hours a week and pay a shitload of tax. I have a full motorbike licence so I can ride a supercharged V8 motorbike if I wan't to. These laws are retarded all I wanted to buy was a 1968 Fairmont 3 on the tree with 302 Windsor I don't think the damn thing can get lower than 10 seconds to a 100 but apparently it's too dangerous.

I would like to know what is available for p platers because I know I get a warm and fuzzy feeling when I overtake some retiree couple in their Camry Sportivo and watch the look on their face when they try and stop me from overtaking them as they try and wiggle their pinkie finger at me. Call me crazy but I work with old people I have to listen all day about how they are the best driver in the world, they work so hard (while they chat all day and have two hour lunches) and young whippersnappers should have to pay more tax, old people deservr more money in their super, university is too cheap these days. Believe me the goes on and on.

BTW not trying to bag out older people I know quite a few good ol blokes like the old 70 year old fart who has a WRX lol I'm more going on about the whingey old retiree Liberal voters who want to condemn younger generations to prohibitively expensive university and unfair industrial relations so they can get a bit more on their super.....

[EB 2 XR8]

low + big wheels = chicks

[xf pano]

I think you will find that you can mod as much as you like as long as u dont need an engineers cert, witch generaly you only need for forced induction or engine swaps. Atlesat thats what its like up here in Qld. Anyway, if it looks stock ei no crome, braided lines or aftermarket airfilters, how are the coppers gonna no what sort of cam - pistons - rods - head work uve got, not like there gonna strip your motor down on the side of the road. If its idles ruff just say it needs a tuneup, as long as it aint too loud - illegal emmisions, what can they gonna do, absolutely nothing.

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by normxb

Now here is a Quote from a younger member with some "Brains" , you spend at least 11+ years at school , so what is 3 years doing the Right/Legal thing . Or from the other end , 60 years of driving "if you survive the first "3" . Such a small price to pay .

Fastest (Red) P-plate legal car = One that will travel at 90 kph
Fastest (Green) P-plate legal car = One that will travel at 100 kph

When you're on your "Full Licence" (and still alive) then join the High Performance drivers and Enjoy your Ride .

Norm....................... (an old Phart , but still alive)

Yeah, when you're on your full licence, join the "High Performance," drivers to go 110km/h.

Or the "High Performance," drivers who hog the right lane on a freeway doing 10 under, can't control their RWD car in the rain, some not even in the dry, and I can go on and on.

On a more serious matter... why is Australia the only first world country in the world which invades civil liberties so much? No other country, imposes any dictatorship-esque restrictions on their young drivers other than Australia. Last time I checked, this is supposed to be a good place to live?

[Squalo]

Well I read page 1, and page 9, and I was right - there's no point in reading pages 2-8.

Steffo, try this one on - these restrictions are not about stiffling your ego - that would be impossible, with all due respect (I was a P-plater once too, I just did it when building a 12-second A9X replica at 19 was considered fairly normal). They are in place to (with any luck) prevent your mother/sister/brother/girlfriend/teacher/friend/employer/etc from having to attend your funeral. That is all there is to it. I really really hate reading the posts here from young guys looking for fast cars but with no idea how to survive them - I understand the desire, but I still shudder when I see it expressed over and over again.

But I do agree with your comment on the ongoing degradation of our civil liberties.

[4Vman]

Im still trying to work out how the hell imposing rules and conditions to abide by in your car is invading civil liberties!

Again, having a licence to drive a vehicle is a responsibility, not a right.

[3vXT]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Im still trying to work out how the hell imposing rules and conditions to abide by in your car is invading civil liberties!

Because every individual is smart and mature enough to know what is best for them and P plater restrictions our civil liberties being eroded is just a byproduct of the zionest government fat cats which is why we shouldn't vote or pay tax.

EDIT: Italics = sarcasm, for those following at home.

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by ken2903

Because every individual is smart and mature enough to know what is best for them and P plater restrictions our civil liberties being eroded is just a byproduct of the zionest government fat cats which is why we shouldn't vote or pay tax.

EDIT: Italics = sarcasm, for those following at home.

You spelt Zionist wrong, and that's an interesting subject to bring into this conversation...

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by Squalo

Well I read page 1, and page 9, and I was right - there's no point in reading pages 2-8.

Steffo, try this one on - these restrictions are not about stiffling your ego - that would be impossible, with all due respect (I was a P-plater once too, I just did it when building a 12-second A9X replica at 19 was considered fairly normal). They are in place to (with any luck) prevent your mother/sister/brother/girlfriend/teacher/friend/employer/etc from having to attend your funeral. That is all there is to it. I really really hate reading the posts here from young guys looking for fast cars but with no idea how to survive them - I understand the desire, but I still shudder when I see it expressed over and over again.

But I do agree with your comment on the ongoing degradation of our civil liberties.

The thing is, as has been proven by the RTA's own statistics, the deaths have gone up, not down. So what does that show?

These laws are stupid, can't work, won't work and were doomed to fail before the money-hungry idiots who imposed them did so. Why not actually teach people to drive rather then saying, "Okay, people are crashing. People are starting to notice our 500 trillion speed cameras aren't stopping it. I have an idea! Lets pick on a group with little to no political influence to make ourselves look like we're doing something or that we actually care. Then we can continue to fatten our wallets. What do you say chums?"

[Ruger]

Originally Posted by xf pano

I think you will find that you can mod as much as you like as long as u dont need an engineers cert, witch generaly you only need for forced induction or engine swaps. Atlesat thats what its like up here in Qld. Anyway, if it looks stock ei no crome, braided lines or aftermarket airfilters, how are the coppers gonna no what sort of cam - pistons - rods - head work uve got, not like there gonna strip your motor down on the side of the road. If its idles ruff just say it needs a tuneup, as long as it aint too loud - illegal emmisions, what can they gonna do, absolutely nothing.

afaik Anything that fiddles with the emisions of the vehicle technically requires an engineers certificate yes that includes little lenny's fully sick muffler on his pulsar.

not heavily enforced though.
I know of someone that was asked for an engineers cert for his aftermarket exhaust at an rbt.

Dont believe what people tell you dont believe what i say even go to the rta's website and check it all up there.

[3vXT]

Originally Posted by Steffo

You spelt Zionist wrong

Well vote me off the island then