Not quite (VFACTS) August

bobthebilda · 03-08-2012, 03:08 PM

http://www.caradvice.com.au/184736/c...inners-losers/

The cruze only doing 1875 for the month. With only 2400 commodores going down the line (and a few utes and caprices), maybe Holden may have to slow down the line a bit too.

Top 10 Best-selling Vehicles – July 2012

1.Toyota HiLux – 4163
2.Mazda3 – 3355
3.Toyota Corolla – 2985
4.Holden Commodore – 2399
5.Nissan Navara – 2164
6.Hyundai i30 – 2045
7.Holden Cruze – 1875
8.Toyota Camry – 1775
9.Ford Ranger – 1688
10.Toyota Yaris – 1518

Top 10 Best-selling Vehicles – 2012 to date

1.Mazda3 – 25,168
2.Toyota HiLux – 24,966
3.Toyota Corolla – 22,011
4.Holden Cruze – 18,312
5.Holden Commodore – 18,259
6.Hyundai i30 – 16,045
7.Nissan Navara – 15,895
8.Toyota Camry – 12,723
9.Toyota Yaris – 11,354
10.Toyota Prado – 10,735

Dr Smith · 03-08-2012, 04:07 PM

Geez, remember when Falcon and Commodore would do about 10-12,000 per month combined. Now you need the top 4 to get the same total, just shows how diverse the market is and today's single top seller sells half of what the top seller in the late 90/early 00's did.

jpd80 · 03-08-2012, 04:37 PM

Prado 1415
Toyota Kluger 1114
Territory 1084
Holden Captiva 7 896
Jeep Grand Cherokee 672

Falcon 941
Falcon Ute 397

From USA:
Caprice PPV...500

johnydep · 03-08-2012, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Geez, remember when Falcon and Commodore would do about 10-12,000 per month combined. Now you need the top 4 to get the same total, just shows how diverse the market is and today's single top seller sells half of what the top seller in the late 90/early 00's did.

Car yards are doing it tough at the moment.

Nikked · 03-08-2012, 04:49 PM

Bad Press, and overall gloom suurounding Ford seem to be harming things...

Joe5619 · 03-08-2012, 05:27 PM

Is the Prado out selling the Terrtory YTD?? Is that right?

Road_Warrior · 03-08-2012, 05:31 PM

How come the motoring media don't jump up and down about the amount of Toyota Aurion sales? 500-something is pretty bad, yet no one says anything...

johnydep · 03-08-2012, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

How come the motoring media don't jump up and down about the amount of Toyota Aurion sales? 500-something is pretty bad, yet no one says anything...

Doesn't come of the same line as the Camry?

Dr Smith · 03-08-2012, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by johnydep

Car yards are doing it tough at the moment.

Noticed a few are now multi-franchising. Jefferson Ford sold President Ford to another dealer (now called Brighton Ford) and rebuilt their Mentone site with Jefferson Hyundai as the second brand.

SpoolMan · 03-08-2012, 05:46 PM

The Ranger advertising has been stepped up now all they need to do is keep the supply up and they will sell more.

Dr Smith · 03-08-2012, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

How come the motoring media don't jump up and down about the amount of Toyota Aurion sales? 500-something is pretty bad, yet no one says anything...

I guess because Camry and Aurion are built together and a new engine plant is being built in Altona as well.

Road_Warrior · 03-08-2012, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

I guess because Camry and Aurion are built together and a new engine plant is being built in Altona as well.

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Originally Posted by johnydep

Doesn't come of the same line as the Camry?

Yes...just like the Falcon, Falcon ute and Territory come off the same line - and the numbers of locally made vehicles are greater for Ford v Toyota. Yet this doesnt seem to rate a mention.

galaxy xr8 · 03-08-2012, 05:55 PM

That was a slow month for Territory.

RHR · 03-08-2012, 05:58 PM

2400 combined off the production line isnt that bad imo

excopau · 03-08-2012, 05:59 PM

You can get some good pricing on Ranger now, brother just got XLT dual cab $52000, towbar LED harness for trailer, mats bonnet protector, tonna cover on road from Gympie QLD, but supply is problem 4 month wait

jpd80 · 03-08-2012, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

How come the motoring media don't jump up and down about the amount of Toyota Aurion sales? 500-something is pretty bad, yet no one says anything...

Because Toyota's local production is underpinned by substantial exports to Middle East markets?

IF regional supply contracts for Kuga, Mondeo and S-Max were up for grabs, that might help FoA....
but would you build them here or continue expanding Thailand and take a chance on no more flooding there..

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Originally Posted by SpoolMan

The Ranger advertising has been stepped up now all they need to do is keep the supply up and they will sell more.

Yeah, 1688 sales is looking promising so hopefully Thailand can keep steaming on..
only 619 of them were 4x2 so the income from 4x4s will be good.

mik · 03-08-2012, 06:22 PM

why would you build here, it`s too expensive unless your getting a handout from govco, toyota would have been gone too i reckon without a hand out.

prydey · 03-08-2012, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Geez, remember when Falcon and Commodore would do about 10-12,000 per month combined. Now you need the top 4 to get the same total, just shows how diverse the market is and today's single top seller sells half of what the top seller in the late 90/early 00's did.

this is it in a nutshell. total new car sales year on year don't vary by much, so essentially the size of the pie (new car buyers) is the same. what is changing is the amount of slices the pie is being cut into. australia has one of the biggest range of vehicles in the world. yes thats right. our piddly little nation has more choice than nearly all other countries in the world.

choice is hurting the large car segment. nothing more, nothing less.

there is no reason to point the finger at one model unless you are a hater and lets be honest, AFF has more than its fair share of them.

we do this little dance every month.

jpd80 · 03-08-2012, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mik

why would you build here, it`s too expensive unless your getting a handout from govco, toyota would have been gone too i reckon without a hand out.

But they do so they stay
It's more about encouraging manufacturers to build the right vehicles here that can be exported in our region.

Joe5619 · 03-08-2012, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by johnydep

Doesn't come of the same line as the Camry?

Yes, but doesn't the Falcon Ute & Terrtory come down the same line at Falcon Seden???

mik · 03-08-2012, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

But they do so they stay
It's more about encouraging manufacturers to build the right vehicles here that can be exported in our region.

perhaps, maybe i have it wrong, but i always thought we had the right vehicles, if we had a level playing field maybe it would be different,
tarrifs don`t need to be adjusted to give us an advantage , just to make it level pegging, commodore going down the chart should be ringing alarm bells, someone mentioned Aurion too.
our manufacturing has been made the sacrificial lamb of our economy, we already have ripping cars here, we just can`t build them cheap enough.

csv8 · 03-08-2012, 11:59 PM

Chrysler sold 300 300C's in its first month...

MrZ · 04-08-2012, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by csv8

Chrysler sold 300 300C's in its first month...

Er, no? They sold 89.

csv8 · 04-08-2012, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MrZ

Er, no? They sold 89.

oops!!!my late night reading!!!

MrZ · 04-08-2012, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by csv8

oops!!!my late night reading!!!

I think I know how you made the mistake. The new model is now called the "Chrysler 300", not the 300C.

Bossxr8 · 04-08-2012, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

How come the motoring media don't jump up and down about the amount of Toyota Aurion sales? 500-something is pretty bad, yet no one says anything...

I'm not suprised, I saw a new Aurion the other day for the first time and the rear end of it was one of the worse looking designs I have ever seen. It was absurd. The dodgy square things they have put in the corners and the near verticle slab that is the rea was vomit inducing. How the hell did it even make it to production looking as bad as it does?

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Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

That was a slow month for Territory.

Having 7 down days last month because of low Falcon sales is just slaughtering Territory too. Its bringing it down with it.

bobthebilda · 05-08-2012, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

From USA:
Caprice PPV...500

Begs the question. Are Holden making enough money on the decreasing volumes of low margin cruzes (1875), and the ever decreasing valued commodores (3000 including utes) to offset the losses from landing 500 Caprices in the US for under A$28000.

csv8 · 05-08-2012, 03:40 PM

I would be a Caprice for $28k instead of $80k !!!!!! just shows how ripped off we are !!!

Road_Warrior · 05-08-2012, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

I would be a Caprice for $28k instead of $80k !!!!!! just shows how ripped off we are !!!

Have you seen the interior of those cop spec Caprices? They're awful.

jpd80 · 05-08-2012, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Have you seen the interior of those cop spec Caprices? They're awful.

Yeah, imagine a Caprice with Omega trim and you're getting close...
But still, between 200/mth Caprice exports to Middle East and 500 odd PPVs to the USA
plus Buick Park Avenue kits to China, Holden would be doing OK on the LWB side..