Found some cheap Brembos lately?

[Taily]

Buyer beware!

http://www.zerotohundred.com/2014/au.../#.U-prKKgwjUQ

[zilo]

I reckon I would buy a pair for 1/3 price.....LOL

[FG50T]

I'd be concerned to even buy from a supplier after seeing that

[nitro50th]

My employer last year changed suppliers for a bearing we use from a well known manufacturer to a chinese company.

After we had many failures with these bearings disintegrating in service, one of our quality staff visited the factory. He said as far as they were concerned if it looked the same (like the drawing) it must be ok.

They paid little attention to surface finish, metal hardness, tolerances....only basic dimensions.

Its a worry...

[123Cat]

Counterfeit bearings have been used by mistake in F1 cars costing races and a lot of money
its well documented and no secret

a lot of expensive equipment is failing world wide because of imitation bearings

[GT2]

I put my money on these brakes coming from the same place that supply Brembo & AP anyway.
They then assemble under son sought of QC program where the so called copies don't.

[geckoGT]

http://www.brembo.com/en/il-gruppo/B...s/default.aspx

Brembo produce brake parts in China, they say so on their own website.

http://www.brembo.com/en/il-gruppo/M...s/default.aspx

Brembo own AP Racing.

Not everything made in China is a cheap knock off. You want big names for little prices you get chinese manufacturing.

[GT450]

Surely manufacturing and counterfeiting are worlds apart especially when it comes to braking parts . It's not like a Gucci handbag , someones life depends on genuine quality braking systems .
If you but and know it's a copy then it's your choice, your risk, but to buy and believe it's genuine only to find out too late. We probably all pay too much for logoed products but a lot of the time there is a reason , be it quality or safety .
GT450

[zilo]

Originally Posted by GT450

Surely manufacturing and counterfeiting are worlds apart especially when it comes to braking parts . It's not like a Gucci handbag , someones life depends on genuine quality braking systems .
If you but and know it's a copy then it's your choice, your risk, but to buy and believe it's genuine only to find out too late. We probably all pay too much for logoed products but a lot of the time there is a reason , be it quality or safety .
GT450

You are most likely typing on a clone personal computer that was ripped off from intellectual property owned by IBM by the Chinese.

Ever downloaded an MP3 or DivX movie?

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by zilo

You are most likely typing on a clone personal computer that was ripped off from intellectual property owned by IBM by the Chinese.

Ever downloaded an MP3 or DivX movie?

Ummm - bit of a difference methinks....
Typing on a cloned PC and braking from 80Klm/h in an emergency situation on brake rotors made from porridge are quite different in terms of risk.
Downloading an MP3 v crashing into a tree due to brake failure caused by substandard brake hardware would feel quite different I'd imagine. One would make you feel guilty - the other would see you with a ticket to the pearly gates.

[Shonky.]

theres some dumb fkrs on this forum

Conterfeit means fake, replica, an imitation of something else. Got f all to do with the country of origin, whether the conterfeit or the original, or both are from China or wherever.

How can people trivialize this.

Brembos are themselves fake, ok sure.

Downloading a song is like a fake Brembo, sure, sounds EXACTLY the same

wtf

Good post OP, thanks for highlighting it....

[zilo]

Originally Posted by Bluey-GT

Ummm - bit of a difference methinks....
Typing on a cloned PC and braking from 80Klm/h in an emergency situation on brake rotors made from porridge are quite different in terms of risk.
Downloading an MP3 v crashing into a tree due to brake failure caused by substandard brake hardware would feel quite different I'd imagine. One would make you feel guilty - the other would see you with a ticket to the pearly gates.

Obviously you don't see the moral argument.

In any event, most car parts are/will be/made in China in some way or another, including Brembo brakes.

Once upon a time, (in my living memory), we used to call cars
"Jap crap" after a while it became prestigious to own a car made in japan as it denoted a quality product.

Shortly one will need to ask if it's made in Australia, cause that's where the inferior/inexperienced/unskilled manufactured goods will stem from

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Bluey-GT

the other would see you with a ticket to the pearly gates.

As long as I get in thats all that matters

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by zilo

Obviously you don't see the moral argument.

In any event, most car parts are/will be/made in China in some way or another, including Brembo brakes.

Once upon a time, (in my living memory), we used to call cars
"Jap crap" after a while it became prestigious to own a car made in japan as it denoted a quality product.

Shortly one will need to ask if it's made in Australia, cause that's where the inferior/inexperienced/unskilled manufactured goods will stem from

You've missed the point.
Counterfeit parts are inferior. There is no R&D , quality control , safety testing or any sort of testing really. Doesn't matter where they are made , China , Japan , Germany or USA.

There is some top shelf stuff made in China , outsourced and licensed with global standard QC.
The product in question is not one of those......

[GT2]

I don't think they are copies or replicas or counterfeit, they are probably from the same contract manufacturer used by Brembo.
1 container out the front door to Brembo and one container out the back for a little added cash flow.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by Bluey-GT

You've missed the point.
Counterfeit parts are inferior. There is no R&D , quality control , safety testing or any sort of testing really. Doesn't matter where they are made , China , Japan , Germany or USA.

There is some top shelf stuff made in China , outsourced and licensed with global standard QC.
The product in question is not one of those......

You reckon it's inferior quality?

Prove it?

[Franco Cozzo]

All this quality control crap, I worked in a place that was certified to ISO9001 which is a quality management system.

The stuff we made was total crap, you can have all these certifications under the sun but it doesn't mean anything.

All this stuff only matters if you get audited and you follow the procedures set out in your QMS.

Everyone says they have quality control and they meet all these standards blah blah blah, plenty of crap products out there, have a look at the automotive manufacturers, they meet absolutely every certification under the sun, GM is still having some issues, everyone has issues.

I was on quality control for a little bit too

[ILLaViTaR]

Well he's not going to afford his 30th Sydney CBD blue chip acquisition by making them to stop cars now is he! Even with his 1999 50% CGT exemption that encouraged a whole new generation of demographic into Australia.

Things were made well because people back then had moral understanding as a society and didn't live isolated in apartments with their only interest in the world to go clubbing and bone some pasty emo chick. You get that today as well as de-feathered ducks/rabbits hanging on your neighbours balcony (maybe his other neighbour is a member of PETA just to spice it up!). No wonder no one wants to do anything for anyone anymore, the multicultural world is cynical and full of self servers.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by zilo

You reckon it's inferior quality?

Prove it?

I got a better idea.
Why don't you go and buy a set of these cheapies and road test them for road and track conditions and come back and tell us all.

My BFGT has brembos all round from factory. They have worked faultlessly in all conditions for 7 years in all weather conditions with all sorts of driving.

Over to you......

[Shonky.]

If they are decent the manufacturer should brand them with his own brand, or nothing at all, not Brembo.

Let the customer decide, but not as a result of deception.

If you want to take a punt on a cheaper alternative then that's your prerogative. Hey, you may win, they may be better than Brembos for a fraction of the price, but the decision should be made with complete information, not disinformation, like that which results from copying someone else's product

Some of you people would give an aspirin a headache

[FG50T]

Originally Posted by zilo

You reckon it's inferior quality?

Prove it?

You prove it. Buy a pair and apply the brakes at 270kmh in your pride and joy on a track where you're not covered by insurance.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by GT2

I don't think they are copies or replicas or counterfeit, they are probably from the same contract manufacturer used by Brembo.
1 container out the front door to Brembo and one container out the back for a little added cash flow.

I agree.

This reminds me of the fake Apple store that was open in China. So good that even the workers thought it was a legit Apple store.

[Cashie]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

All this quality control crap, I worked in a place that was certified to ISO9001 which is a quality management system.

The stuff we made was total crap, you can have all these certifications under the sun but it doesn't mean anything.

I was on quality control for a little bit too

For the place you worked in, having a quality process means you could consistently day in day out turn out total crap.
The quality process works perfectly when done correctly.

[Cashie]

Originally Posted by zilo

You reckon it's inferior quality?

Prove it?

If this guy is the genuine Brembo manufacturer and he is also selling them out the back door, and if Brembo's QA process has ever rejected even one set of these brakes, they are inferior when they leave the back door minus BREMBO QA.

Would you want to unknowingly bet your life on it?

[zilo]

Originally Posted by Bluey-GT

I got a better idea.
Why don't you go and buy a set of these cheapies and road test them for road and track conditions and come back and tell us all.

My BFGT has brembos all round from factory. They have worked faultlessly in all conditions for 7 years in all weather conditions with all sorts of driving.

Over to you......

So what, my next door neighbours camry with hand painted red calipers has worked for 9 years without failing too.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by Cashie

If this guy is the genuine Brembo manufacturer and he is also selling them out the back door, and if Brembo's QA process has ever rejected even one set of these brakes, they are inferior when they leave the back door minus BREMBO QA.

Would you want to unknowingly bet your life on it?

Peace of mind does not make something inferior in manufacturing terms.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by FG50T

You prove it. Buy a pair and apply the brakes at 270kmh in your pride and joy on a track where you're not covered by insurance.

And If I survived would you retreat back behind your keyboard and say you were wrong and alarmist?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Cashie

If this guy is the genuine Brembo manufacturer and he is also selling them out the back door, and if Brembo's QA process has ever rejected even one set of these brakes, they are inferior when they leave the back door minus BREMBO QA.

Would you want to unknowingly bet your life on it?

People unknowingly risk their life with cheap crappy Chinese tyres which have spread across Australia's tyre shops like AIDS, so why would brakes be any different?

Who here has a road driven car which can use these Chinese knock-offs?

[raised by monkeys]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

People unknowingly risk their life with cheap crappy Chinese tyres which have spread across Australia's tyre shops like AIDS, so why would brakes be any different?

IMO its an apples and oranges comparison. I would assume/suggest that brakes do the larger amount of work in stopping a car in brakes vs tyres scenario, not that tyres don't do their bit. If a cheap tyre blew, depending at what speed, you could still stop a car. If brakes failed all you've got is a handbrake and trees. I guess cheap tyres have also had their fair share of testing over the years, and I personally would much rather trial cheap tyres vs untested brakes.

Its much like the 'BA steering wheel will bolt on to AU's and the airbag function remaining intact.' scenario. Everyone can safely assume that it will work, but the possibility of a drastic outcome outweighs everyone's curiosity to be able to comment beyond assumption based.

[strik9]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

People unknowingly risk their life with cheap crappy Chinese tyres which have spread across Australia's tyre shops like AIDS, so why would brakes be any different?

Who here has a road driven car which can use these Chinese knock-offs?

i only put them on the ex,s car