Hulk Friday! Future desirable falcons..I6t/Miami V8 only?

[HULK_I6T]

Another hard week at work, time to bring it home with a good hulk thread

Future desirable falcons?? Can you realistically see any models being desirable outside of the factory forced induction models?? I6 turbo and Miami V8?? I just can't see it.

Sure there are some nice n/a models but they are worlds behind the I6 turbo or Miami V8s for performance.. What will be so special about them in years to come?

I think the only Modern day GT worth holding in years to come will be the Miami factory supercharged cars. I also think all the I6T models will also be desirable due to their brutal all conquering performance... XR6T, F6 and G6ETs.

I think these cars will be worth holding.. Factory forced induction falcons. That's where it will be at. Anything else in my opinion will just fade away into history., worthless.

In years to come as the average car gets more powerful and quicker, cars like the N/A GT models, n/a xr8s/t-series are going to seem pretty ho-hum performance wise in comparison.

Do we agree with this assessment? Should we aim to flick off the n/a cars now and grab yourself a factory forced induction ford before they become out of reach?

[LoudPipes]

Is it Friday already?

[MattSAU2XR8]

Wishful thinking probably, but my G6E Ecoboost seems to be holding its value fairly well this year at least since the supply of new ones has dried up. Only 7 used examples available on carsales at present and as far as I can see mine would still cost the same to replace as what I bought it for six months ago :-) Not collectable per se, but holding its value nicely for what it is.

[Franco Cozzo]

30 years from now we probably won't be allowed to drive cars anymore, they will drive themselves lol.

Then again apparently some documentary called "Beyond 2000" in 1981 said we would be flying on jetpacks by the year 2000, well thats 14 years ago.

[tranquilized]

I agree with you if we're talking in 25 years time. When today's cars are as old as ED's and EF's are now, only the forced induction models will be desirable. Who would wan't an ED GLi? Where as the XR6's, XR8's and Fairmont Ghia 5lt are in my opinion still really nice cars.

But if we wait 45 years from now, any Falcon from today will be somewhat desired simply due to it's age. Just look at the sort of money an XY Falcon 500 3.6lt commands now.

[brownba]

How nice would it be if they did bring out a FMG v8. what a send off.. anyway enuff dreaming..

I think the last of the falcons will be reasonably sought after... not megabucks but certainly worth a bit once we all get grey.

I would love to see them sell well and will continue to buy them while they build them.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

30 years from now we probably won't be allowed to drive cars anymore, they will drive themselves lol.

Then again apparently some documentary called "Beyond 2000" in 1981 said we would be flying on jetpacks by the year 2000, well thats 14 years ago.

certainly hope not, I'd be well past my used by date in 30yrs.

[EB#]

As far as 25 years from now is concerned, I tend to think that only the V8 GT Falcons (all of them) will retain the highest value for the 'desire/collectable' factor. The last XR8 models may sneak in there with that group to an extent, but they will not be a match for the GT marque. In comparison I reckon the 6 cylinder cars (NA and T) will be also-rans.

[Nova 8]

Every single one you can find would be my guess. With the world going greener and greener it won't be long until old cars will have to be recycled and only a few hold out will hang onto their cars for the long haul.

[Nikked]

S3 AU XR8's

[Sox]

Originally Posted by Nikked

S3 AU XR8's

Without a doubt, this is at the top of the list...



I think the blown Miami thingo will be at the top of the heap (obviously), I'd imagine it will be the modern day phase 3 equivalent.

Next in line would be the BF Cobras IMO, fairly small numbers, and the white/blue package with the snake always seems to be a hit.

Tornado/Typhoon variants will certainly be desirable, but nothing like the things above.

The T3/P250 might be around here somewhere, last of the Windsor and small numbers help.
Last of any real mongrel too.

5.4L GT's will probably be next due to the GT name, if nothing more. The numbers of these were high, so price will never be very high IMO. The performance figures were never good enough either.

XR6T's are very very common and this will drive values way down.

5.4L XR8's will be worth little, again because of numbers and other reasons.


As someone else mentioned, looking further ahead, all Falcons will be worth reasonable $$, simply because they're being stopped next year, and progress is changing transport dramatically.

[duaned]

I think forced inducted falcons will just fade into history like most cars these days. Without doubt as their value drops so quickly you will find them in driveways of bogans and revheads that will destroy the cars and the reputations they once had. Hopefully the GT holds it's values well to keep these cars out of the reach of that class of people, kept just for the enthusiast.

[290GTP]

Looks count for a lot too. For me, the BA-BF GT's are the most attractive modern Falcon ever made. They were a cut above the ugly AU which the buying public hated so much & I think they look better than the softer FG.

No one ever stepped out of mine & said it was slow either

[graphicgoose]

Originally Posted by duaned

I think forced inducted falcons will just fade into history like most cars these days. Without doubt as their value drops so quickly you will find them in driveways of bogans and revheads that will destroy the cars and the reputations they once had. Hopefully the GT holds it's values well to keep these cars out of the reach of that class of people, kept just for the enthusiast.

I'm hoping, as you say, that the Miami GT's will hold their value as a result of being the last run of GT's and also the most powerful and only factory forced induction GT produced. I think that's why XR6 turbos are so cheap, there's so many of them and they're priced to allow a much wider group of people to purchase them. The Miami GT's were produced in about the same numbers as XW/XY GT's were back in the day, so as the years roll on and a few idiots crash them (or are crashed into by other idiots) hopefully that'll keep their price up.

I think the F6 variants will hold their value too, given they brought the performance Ford's back from the brink of extinction...not to mention they're awesome cars!

[Bushbasher]

Originally Posted by duaned

I think forced inducted falcons will just fade into history like most cars these days. Without doubt as their value drops so quickly you will find them in driveways of bogans and revheads that will destroy the cars and the reputations they once had. Hopefully the GT holds it's values well to keep these cars out of the reach of that class of people, kept just for the enthusiast.

But surely that'll be one of the reasons that they WILL have value and desirability in 30 years, simply because the bogans WILL get their hands on them and kill a lot of them, so the ones that escape the net will be worth something just as survivors.
Look at the humble HQ holden, they made nearly half a million of them but years of abuse and then HQ racing has seen the bulk of them disappear so now even a humble Belmont with no options is commanding good money as long as it's in good condition. Try finding a factory V8 4 speed car that's not a Monaro, they're very thin on the ground. The last one I saw wasn't that flash but still brought over 10k and that was well over 5 years ago.

If anyone knows of a factory 253 4spd Kingswood out there for sale that's not stupid money, let me know, I've been looking for one for a long time.

[Chopped]

[Falcon SXR8]

Originally Posted by Nikked

S3 AU XR8's

I am selfish I hope they don't as I was planing on grabbing one for a couple grand in the future

What makes a car collectable is a funny thing, lately I have been craving an ebgt. Its not all about horespower with collectables. Sometimes its about the story. The 220 xr8s and te50s represent ford finally getting serious about competing with holden, for me they were the first fords in a long time that I could brag about. Sure those cars mean nothing to some people but there a great "story" in my life of loving falcons.

[FPV8U]

B-Series GT will be up there, its not as fast as the Miami GT's but it was as quick as its competition at the time Bar the GTS (Much like the current GT v GTS..) and it brought Ford from being kicked in the gutter to being competitive on the Road, on the track the BA was Fords best Falcon ever and that won't be forgotten.

I know in the future i'd love to roll out a well optioned Blood Orange GT/GTP as my Sunday driver.

[Rodge]

I agree with Hulk, forced induction will be where's it at for collectables.
I think any original condition non modified forced induction FPV will hold its value pretty well and the final SC XR8's should also do well.

Many of my critics think I'm now a Ford hater but actually I'm more than a little interested in a final SC XR8 or turbo XR6 and if anyone in N.Z. has a low mileage FPV BF2 Typhoon (preferably in blue), provided its in original condition, please PM me I'll give you full retail (independently assessed) fair market for it.

[Alan D Segal]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

In years to come as the average car gets more powerful and quicker, cars like the N/A GT models, n/a xr8s/t-series are going to seem pretty ho-hum performance wise in comparison.

Do we agree with this assessment? Should we aim to flick off the n/a cars now and grab yourself a factory forced induction ford before they become out of reach?

The more recent N/A cars (especially the V8s) have pretty ho-hum performance now. They even did when they were new compared to their HSV rivals and others. But a turbo or supercharged Falcon never raced and won at Bathurst in the big race. I'll always love NA V8s because they are what I grew up with and dreamt about driving one day as a kid. Turbos and superchargers were a bit of a black art back then and so I've never really had a soft spot for them, despite the superior performance they offer.

They will probably be the more desirable in the future, but not for me.

[tranquilized]

Originally Posted by Rodge

I agree with Hulk, forced induction will be where's it at for collectables.
I think any original condition non modified forced induction FPV will hold its value pretty well and the final SC XR8's should also do well.

Still amazes me how many people don't understand the importance of this. Sure, do whatever you want to your car, but understand that with every non-reversible modification you are hurting it's future value.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by 290GTP

No one ever stepped out of mine & said it was slow either

Me neither - opposite actually - but alas - some people always have an agenda..........sigh

I reckon performance cars from Ford AU in general will stabilise and appreciate over time. Plenty will see the scrap yards in 10-15 years from now - so I reckon anything with an aussie "built" V8 in it will be sought after as the numbers diminish - especially in a Falcon body.
I think many are underestimating the effect of the falcon departure - especially as its transpired sooner than many thought. These cars arent investments - sure we all agree on that - but I think there will be some serious coin changing hands in the next 5 years.
The uniqueness , the brashness , the balls out way that FPV and Tickford produced their cars will come back to bite hard - and on a sunny day - out at some car show - with all the spoilers , the body kits , the stripes the gleaming paint in an array of colours and those Big V8 engine bulges - the crowds will step back - stand in silence and admire something special.
We will remember them........

[Sox]

Originally Posted by Bluey-GT

Me neither - opposite actually - but alas - some people always have an agenda..........sigh

It's not an agenda, you're taking it the wrong way.

The 5.4 GT's aren't slow by any stretch, however at the time they were getting clobbered by HSV as far as performance figures were concerned by the magazines.
The turbo I6 also gave it a serve.
The GT mostly came second or third place after HSV and it's own stablemate.

This hurt the GT as a performance car, and will hurt it's future resale to some degree IMO.

I could be wrong...

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by Sox

It's not an agenda, you're taking it the wrong way.

The 5.4 GT's aren't slow by any stretch, however at the time they were getting clobbered by HSV as far as performance figures were concerned by the magazines.
The turbo I6 also gave it a serve.
The GT mostly came second or third place after HSV and it's own stablemate.

This hurt the GT as a performance car, and will hurt it's future resale to some degree IMO.

I could be wrong...

Dont want to derail this thread but I disagree
Yes it was slower in s traight line than the 297 VZ Clubbie - but every single mag that tested them said it was a generation ahead with its interior - its trans - its on road dynamics / chassis and a better car overall. What hurt these cars - particularly the auto - was that ridiculous 2.7 rear end ratio - WTF were they thinking ???.........

Changing that alone - with no other hardware or tune changes or anything - would have netted an even stevens if not better straight line performance figure than the HSV. The engine was more than capable - they &^%$#& up the ratios.

Anyways - i respect what you're saying - but I dont agree.

At the end of the day - time will be the judge - in the meantime - I'm happy to cruise around in the GT and be a kid all over again in my oversized HOT WHEELS play car.

[Sox]

Originally Posted by Bluey-GT

Dont want to derail this thread but I disagree
Yes it was slower in s traight line than the 297 VZ Clubbie - but every single mag that tested them said it was a generation ahead with its interior - its trans - its on road dynamics / chassis and a better car overall. What hurt these cars - particularly the auto - was that ridiculous 2.7 rear end ratio - WTF were they thinking ???.........

Changing that alone - with no other hardware or tune changes or anything - would have netted an even stevens if not better straight line performance figure than the HSV. The engine was more than capable - they &^%$#& up the ratios.

I know that, and you know that, however that's not relevant to the damage done by the magazines in as much as performance numbers.

Most of the numbers were typically within 1/2 a second or less, yet the mags mostly claimed the GT was grossly underpowed by comparison.

They made out that the few tenths were light years.
Make no mistake, these figures hurt them to the casual observer who went straight to the page which had the performance figures.

I remember very well the sheer idiocy and incompetence of how some of these tests were written.

Anyways - i respect what you're saying - but I dont agree.

At the end of the day - time will be the judge - in the meantime - I'm happy to cruise around in the GT and be a kid all over again in my oversized HOT WHEELS play car.

Me too.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

I don't think outright performance has any relevance to future value. Otherwise XC Cobra's especially the 302's and XB Gt's would only be worth scrap metal value, a standard base model 6 cylinder FG will embarrass both performance wise over all.

Personally I believe one of the most valuable new(er) Falcons/FPV's of the future will be the 40th Anniversary FPV GT, for several reasons, it celebrates and commemorates 40 years of the GT Falcon in Australia, there are less made than almost any other limited edition vehicle, and unlike most other FPV limited editions it is not a limited edition for the sake of making one, but it is made for a commemorative reason, it is the first true R-Spec FPV plus it probably is the best looking FPV ever made bar none (I might be bias on the last one)



Another one that would be worth owning IMO is the R-Spec F6, also very limited edition and I believe the second R Spec ever made and also the only turbo 6 R Spec.

[M&Ms]

The Limited Edition GT's will be the ones to hold on to I think, regardless of engine:

BF 40th Anniversary
BF Cobra
FG 5th Anniversary
FG Black Edition
FG R-Spec
FG GT-F

Have a look at what an F6 R-Spec is worth vs. the BF 40th anniversary or BF Cobra, and you'll soon realise it's the V8s that will hold their values.

[Sox]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

I don't think outright performance has any relevance to future value. Otherwise XC Cobra's especially the 302's and XB Gt's would only be worth scrap metal value, a standard base model 6 cylinder FG will embarrass both performance wise over all.

1 - They have very limited numbers on their side.
2 - Everything had dismal performance at that time because of harsh smog laws.

[Mont5.0]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

I don't think outright performance has any relevance to future value. Otherwise XC Cobra's especially the 302's and XB Gt's would only be worth scrap metal value, a standard base model 6 cylinder FG will embarrass both performance wise over all.

Personally I believe one of the most valuable new(er) Falcons/FPV's of the future will be the 40th Anniversary FPV GT, for several reasons, it celebrates and commemorates 40 years of the GT Falcon in Australia, there are less made than almost any other limited edition vehicle, and unlike most other FPV limited editions it is not a limited edition for the sake of making one, but it is made for a commemorative reason, it is the first true R-Spec FPV plus it probably is the best looking FPV ever made bar none (I might be bias on the last one)

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Another one that would be worth owning IMO is the R-Spec F6, also very limited edition and I believe the second R Spec ever made and also the only turbo 6 R Spec.

THIS^^ 40th anniversary BF GT! Ducks nuts right there.

[BENT_8]

Obviously the halo cars, but what about the BF2 GHIA in V8 guise.

Very few V8's built, easily the best front styling on a non performance Ford in the last 20 years.
Modern day ESP?

Why they never offered it with the i6T is beyond me.