Of speeding, drug hauls and behaviour-NSW

[Keepleft]

Note the two bottom offences and applied penalty.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/061002/23/10r3h.html

[Hitman]

I don't know if it's just me, but if I had $500,000 woth of drugs in the car I wouldn't be doing anything to attract the attention of the police.

[agony]

Some people out there just never learn!

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Keepleft

Note the two bottom offences and applied penalty.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/061002/23/10r3h.html

"Police have arrested two people and seized three kilos of ecstasy after they spotted a speeding car near Goulburn this morning.
The tablets, with a street value of around $500,000 were found thanks to the police's Operation Slowdown, which is targeting speeding drivers this long weekend.
Police were patrolling the Goulburn Bypass about 12.10am today, when they detected a Ford Falcon sedan travelling at 131kmh in a 110kmh zone."
Definitely deserve all they get for being stupid TWICE. One, for speeding anywhere near Goulburn and the second for attracting attention that they did'nt need.



The same for these two fools. Anyone who goes that much over the speed limit (in a built up area) is asking for trouble.
"On Friday police clocked a 26-year-old driver traveling at 126km/h in a 60km zone in Smithfield.
And on Monday morning a 26-year-old Lidcombe man was clocked traveling at 111km/h in a 6okm zone in Lidcombe. "

[AUIII XR8 MAN]

Dumb people just keep doing dumb thing & wonder why they get court.

[bArNsY]

i'm guessing the officiers didn't accept the bribe!

[uranium_death]

Frankly, these people should have their license cut into sharp pieces, then stuck in their cornchute to make them remember that when they are out driving, accidents can be painful! So don't put yourself in that position!

Once again, some people are just morons and regardless of the education, punishments etc, people will always be jerks.

[Keepleft]

As at tonight, Hunter Highway Patrol (NSW) have issued;
363 exceed speed limit fines.
360 fines for other driver behaviours.

They ask folk, to quote senior Lake Mac Commander "to take care and drive to the prevailing conditions".

[T_Terror]

WTF? $1589 fine for speeding 45kmh and over?

That will make a few people think twice about stopping...

[TZENU]

do these people have anything between their ears?

[Smoked]

Originally Posted by TZENU

do these people have anything between their ears?

Air.

Very very dumb actions.

[fmc351]

Darwins slipping.

No, not the capital

[Smoked]

Originally Posted by fmc351

Darwins slipping.

No, not the capital

Pity they arent able to be in the running.

[merlin]

"The tablets, with a street value of around $500,000 were found thanks to the police's Operation Slowdown, which is targeting speeding drivers this long weekend."

I like how they slipped that line in their - justifying their revenue raising by catching drug couriers. They still would have caught them if they were not doing a radar operation and simply patrolling and doing license checks ect.

[VSSII]

Originally Posted by merlin

I like how they slipped that line in their(THERE)- justifying their revenue raising by catching drug couriers. They still would have caught them if they were not doing a radar operation and simply patrolling and doing license (LICENCE) checks ect.

[merlin]

Originally Posted by VSSII

Yes thank you for that reductive statement you obtuse twit.

[colossus]

Originally Posted by VSSII

Oh Pllleeaasse - Jump back in your VS and drive sideways into a tree. If you disagree with a comment on here why don't you say so instead of pointing out minor spelling mistakes chicken ****.

[VSSII]

Every comment has been about the stupidity of the drivers. You just had to pay out on the law. They don't need to justify their actions to anyone. Anyone who does 20 over the limit on a long weekend, let alone anywhere near Goulburn, deserves whatever they get. Some people just don't get it.

[merlin]

Originally Posted by VSSII

They don't need to justify their actions to you. Anyone who does 20 over the limit on a long weekend, let alone anywhere near Goulburn, deserves whatever they get. Some people just don't get it.

I agree with you that if you get caught 20 over on a long weekend you deserve it.

My point was (which you seemed to miss) - that they stated that the drug bust was thanks to their speeding operation. In actual fact the cops got lucky that the idiots were speeding.

If the highway patrol were actually out patrolling and pulling over suspicious cars and running checks, and not hinding behind bushes then they would probably catch a hell of a lot more drug runners.

[merlin]

Originally Posted by VSSII

Every comment has been about the stupidity of the drivers. You just had to pay out on the law.

So in future I should follow the lead of every other poster and just agree with the general flow of things and apparantly the police are also above all forms of criticism - Thanks for the advice.

[colossus]

Originally Posted by VSSII

You just had to pay out on the law. They don't need to justify their actions to anyone .

Ah yes welcome to VSSII's dicatorship - I AM THE LAW!

Actually they do have to justify their actions to the tax paying public, and I agree with Merlin that their time would be better spent not hiding in bushes pinging people for speeding.

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by colossus

Ah yes welcome to VSSII's dicatorship - I AM THE LAW!

Actually they do have to justify their actions to the tax paying public, and I agree with Merlin that their time would be better spent not hiding in bushes pinging people for speeding.

No they dont. We have laws, they dont make them, they enforce them, hiding under bushes is how they do that. Speeding is a major issue and requires more avenues for enforcement, not less. Which crimes or acts require their attention, which should be ignored? Do you have a list?

[colossus]

Originally Posted by fmc351

Speeding is a major issue and requires more avenues for enforcement, not less. ?

Speeding is a major issue - WTF! Been watching too many RTA ads?

It is a one of many issues that contribute to the road toll. Please tell me how highway patrol hiding under bushes and their unmanned camera's booking mum and dad who dare to do 3km/h over the speed limit are of more use than actual marked cars patrolling the highway and monitoring dangerous driving habits such as failure to keep left, tailgaiting, random breath tests, high range speeding ect.

[wulos]

How much of this 'hard work', in 'speed limit enforcement' is genuinely interested in saving lives? And not just 'extremist reporting to fulfil their own road safety message?

The incident in Goulbourn involved a stolen car and $1/2 million worth of drugs, yet it gets mentioned ONLY as part of a speeding infringement article?

Yesterday morning on the way up to Newy for the Mattara Hillclimb I went through no less then 4 seperate 'speed traps'. The 1st 2 were on the 'coast road', From the time I left the Doyalson Crossroads to the time I got to Swansea(8.30-9am), I encountered less then 15 vehicles traveling in either direction, in conditions that would be considered to be near perfect.
One of the 'traps' was the fixed speed camera site near Nords Wharf, the 2nd, a 'concerned highway patrol officer?' that was reversed up into the bushes a couple of k's further along where the limit just changes to 100kph in a downhill section (most regular users would know where I'm talking about - the section just past the bends.) He was ONLY visible AFTER you'd driven through his sights, and even then only if you were looking around.

*THIS HARDLY serves as a warning to drivers to be cautious through 'visible policing - and imho is a complete WASTE or Law Enforcement spending*

The other 2 were further along the Pac HWY on the way into town, on roads that could easily have been 2 lanes each way(ie good visibility, straight open sections) that carry a speed limit of 60kph.

Keepleft - is it at all possible to provide statistics of how many infringement notices are issues during a normal week? as well as how many additional officers are rostered on for these double demerit periods. I like many would suspect that that actual quantity of offences reported and major road incidents would be lower on a per driver comparison for dd time.
You never hear the figures for a normal week, only a dd period - sounds very much like job justification.

[whynot]

Originally Posted by Hitman

I don't know if it's just me, but if I had $500,000 woth of drugs in the car I wouldn't be doing anything to attract the attention of the police.

I would go further than that! I would;

• be driving a beige coloured Camry (approximately year 2001 build),
• have on my best cardigan,
• make sure my automobile club sticker was prominently displayed,
• tune the radio to ABC News Radio,
• and drive at a steady 57 kph (even in an 80 kph zone).

[4.9 EF Futura]

That fine seems a bit light on.

Isnt there an entire raft of charges the police lay when someone is caught doing 45+ the limit? i.e. a whole raft of reckless driving offenses???

Should never be allowed behind the wheel of a car. Ever again.

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by colossus

Speeding is a major issue - WTF! Been watching too many RTA ads?

It is a one of many issues that contribute to the road toll. Please tell me how highway patrol hiding under bushes and their unmanned camera's booking mum and dad who dare to do 3km/h over the speed limit are of more use than actual marked cars patrolling the highway and monitoring dangerous driving habits such as failure to keep left
this is annoying, not dangerous, unless the car behind isnt paying attention, tailgaiting, random breath tests, high range speeding ect.

When 3km over is acceptable, then people will do 6km over. Thats logical, they are doing 3 over now, so it seems likely they will continue to do 3 over whatever is acceptable, which is currently the enforced and posted speed limit. So then you would argue 6 over is acceptable, and the cycle continues.

Why dont we just do away with speed limits and every imbicile can drive at whatever speed they like? Do mach 1 in a suburban st ignoring stop signs and whatnot, while tweedledum does the same thing along the crossroad you just blew through. Why even have stop signs?

A t-bone at 60 can both kill and permanently injure people, high speed isnt necessary for that result, why should they allow you the extra 3? There are thousands of laws on the books, and all should be enforced, its what they are for. You want to lobby for a harder focus on other laws, lobby for more police, not less focus on a particular issue.

Its real easy, the speed limit is 60, do 60, if you do 63, thats your hard luck. If youve changed wheels and tyres and no longer have an accurate speedo, again your hard luck, get the speedo corrected. Its not rocket science, and its not like they change the speed limit daily making it a lottery, you know what youre in for, so stop blaming others for your own inability to control yourself.

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by wulos

How much of this 'hard work', in 'speed limit enforcement' is genuinely interested in saving lives? And not just 'extremist reporting to fulfil their own road safety message?

The incident in Goulbourn involved a stolen car and $1/2 million worth of drugs, yet it gets mentioned ONLY as part of a speeding infringement article?

Yesterday morning on the way up to Newy for the Mattara Hillclimb I went through no less then 4 seperate 'speed traps'. The 1st 2 were on the 'coast road', From the time I left the Doyalson Crossroads to the time I got to Swansea(8.30-9am), I encountered less then 15 vehicles traveling in either direction, in conditions that would be considered to be near perfect.
One of the 'traps' was the fixed speed camera site near Nords Wharf, the 2nd, a 'concerned highway patrol officer?' that was reversed up into the bushes a couple of k's further along where the limit just changes to 100kph in a downhill section (most regular users would know where I'm talking about - the section just past the bends.) He was ONLY visible AFTER you'd driven through his sights, and even then only if you were looking around.

*THIS HARDLY serves as a warning to drivers to be cautious through 'visible policing - and imho is a complete WASTE or Law Enforcement spending*

The other 2 were further along the Pac HWY on the way into town, on roads that could easily have been 2 lanes each way(ie good visibility, straight open sections) that carry a speed limit of 60kph.

Keepleft - is it at all possible to provide statistics of how many infringement notices are issues during a normal week? as well as how many additional officers are rostered on for these double demerit periods. I like many would suspect that that actual quantity of offences reported and major road incidents would be lower on a per driver comparison for dd time.
You never hear the figures for a normal week, only a dd period - sounds very much like job justification.

One could argue that the position of the car in the bushes, just past the fixed camera was there to catch the drivers who know where the cameras are and drive according to that knowledge rather than the speed limit. You become aware of the system, outsmart it, and it outsmarts you. Downhill is not an excuse to lose sight of speed. You do have a brake pedal.

IMO, the hiden copper provided more incentive to stay within the limit, than the easily spotted ones. Some people drive by just slowing down for the easily spotted one. Think of him as a sniper, he keeps you on your toes at all times, you never know where he is. Maybe police should send out memos announcing locations of radar traps and be restricted to that spot all day. We could all avoid those roads and drive at mach 1 everywhere else without fear of fines.

Im not saying they arent revenue raising, I have no doubt they do. But they cant raise revenue if you dont speed, their presence doesnt make you speed.

[Bluehoon]

the mind wonders...........

[colossus]

Originally Posted by fmc351

When 3km over is acceptable, then people will do 6km over. Thats logical, they are doing 3 over now, so it seems likely they will continue to do 3 over whatever is acceptable, which is currently the enforced and posted speed limit. So then you would argue 6 over is acceptable, and the cycle continues.

Why dont we just do away with speed limits and every imbicile can drive at whatever speed they like? Do mach 1 in a suburban st ignoring stop signs and whatnot, while tweedledum does the same thing along the crossroad you just blew through. Why even have stop signs?

A t-bone at 60 can both kill and permanently injure people, high speed isnt necessary for that result, why should they allow you the extra 3? There are thousands of laws on the books, and all should be enforced, its what they are for. You want to lobby for a harder focus on other laws, lobby for more police, not less focus on a particular issue.

Its real easy, the speed limit is 60, do 60, if you do 63, thats your hard luck. If youve changed wheels and tyres and no longer have an accurate speedo, again your hard luck, get the speedo corrected. Its not rocket science, and its not like they change the speed limit daily making it a lottery, you know what youre in for, so stop blaming others for your own inability to control yourself.

I'll just have to say I strongly disagree with you and leave it at that.