Vfacts January 2019

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

fair enough, but it looks wrong to me..

I got my info from a US site 39.2 cubic feet which equates to 1110 liters
https://www.ford.com/suvs-crossovers...odels/edge-st/

Ive looked at a few others now and they are all different..

Canada where they are made though has 1111L
https://www.ford.ca/suvs-crossovers/...odels/edge-st/

I would be surprised if it was the same as the Territory though.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

I would be surprised if it was the same as the Territory though.

I agree as a Territory owner they have fantastic internal space, but you may be surprised. Endura is also 30mm wider than the Terry.

regardless Endura's boot space is bigger than its 2019 competitors, and bigger than the narrower 4WDs like Everest/Prado etc.

making it your top choice for upgrade?

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

I agree as a Territory owner they have fantastic internal space, but you may be surprised. Endura is also 30mm wider than the Terry.

regardless Endura's boot space is bigger than its 2019 competitors, and bigger than the narrower 4WDs like Everest/Prado etc.

making it your top choice for upgrade?

At RRP $79K drive away it's not actually. Forgetting reputation of any brand..etc, just punch into Carsales a price range of $70,000 to $80,000 for SUV Body Type and there are a lot of vehicles to choose from. from premium euro down. Volvo XC60, Jaguar, LR Discovery and Discovery Sport, CX9/8, a few BMW X3's, Audi Q5, Grand Cherokees, Lexus, a Patrol, Touregs (superceded), MB GLC.

Ford imho now that I've actually seen the competitors prices are asking too much for an AWD Titanium Endura...just on my very quick research I could go CX-9 Azami LE AWD in a red with cream interior.

[Vesper Martini]

But the CX9 has 810L boot..

Top price for a top of the line Endura on carsales is 76K.
the CX9s you see are 2018 clearance models no 2019 listed - expect to pay less.
the Fords will get cheaper in a year too.

Why so negative towards it?

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

But the CX9 has 810L boot..

Top price for a top of the line Endura on carsales is 76K.
the CX9s you see are 2018 clearance models no 2019 listed - expect to pay less.
the Fords will get cheaper in a year too.

Why so negative towards it?

That's why I said price range of $70-$80K, when your financing another $5K" more doesn't make much difference to the repayments.
As to boot size, according to Ford Oz's website it's the same as CX-9 so that's not relevant.
All Endura's are 2018 builds as well.
Negativity..yeah true.. maybe it's because it's the first time where I cannot walk into a Ford dealership and sign an order within 30 minutes knowing clearly I've bought a better vehicle then the one I am trading in.

[Vesper Martini]

What year/model territory do you have again?

PS 4.5 years ago you posted the boot space as 1110L yourself? I liked your post
https://www.fordforums.com.au/showth...31#post5137431

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

What year/model territory do you have again?

PS 4.5 years ago you posted the boot space as 1110L yourself? I liked your post
https://www.fordforums.com.au/showth...31#post5137431

Yeah I know, that's why I went to Ford Oz's website today as I lifted the older reference off Ford US in 2014 so I'm just as confused. The only thing I can add having seen an Endura at Jefferson Ford a couple of weeks ago is that I know the Territory is definitely larger, when you see the two side by side the Endura is also obviously more steeply raked like a hatch as jpd80 posted. I need to actually measure the cargo depth as that's not something I can find online atm.
My current Terry is a Aug 2016 AWD Titanium so last few months of production. Before that I had a 2014 SZ RWD that was written off and before that a 2012 RWD.

[jpd80]

Cargo space for Ford Edge is listed as 39.2 cu ft or 1110 litres...

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Cargo space for Ford Edge is listed as 39.2 cu ft or 1110 litres...

True but that's not what Ford Australia lists it at so we are confused.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

True but that's not what Ford Australia lists it at so we are confused.

I’m not surprised.

Coop students mistake ?

[Eurotrash]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

So where else apart from Australia would take a RHD Edge/Endura?
I would assume that Ford Australia's decision to go with Endura is long term knowing a 7-seater Escape was being developed.

If Ford HQ decide it's not worth building a RHD Edge or more importantly a future all-new RHD version where does that leave local product supply of suitable vehicles?

All new Ecosport, Escape 5 seater and Escape 7 seater, Endura 5 seater, Everest and Explorer , Bronco and one or two not yet formally announced would make a great portfolio....if they could all be built in RHD......and Lincoln Aviator just for me

I'm guessing it would leave the Endura as a 'one hit wonder' for the Australian market, if RHD is no longer on the cards.

Apart from the UK, Australia and New Zealand are the only other major RHD markets for the Edge/Endura, so if it gets cancelled in the UK, I can't imagine Ford will continue with the idea for our part of the world.

In Europe it sold 9,527 Units in 2018, which is 40% down on 2017 figures! Not sure what the figures are for the UK for the Edge/Endura?


If Ford in the US decide to focus on LHD products, it only leave Ford Europe to give us anything.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

True but that's not what Ford Australia lists it at so we are confused.

Interesting because Endura's space is definitely smaller than Territory,
( I think I got my figures from same US site as Bevsta007)

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Eurotrash

I'm guessing it would leave the Endura as a 'one hit wonder' for the Australian market, if RHD is no longer on the cards.

Apart from the UK, Australia and New Zealand are the only other major RHD markets for the Edge/Endura, so if it gets cancelled in the UK, I can't imagine Ford will continue with the idea for our part of the world.

In Europe it sold 9,527 Units in 2018, which is 40% down on 2017 figures! Not sure what the figures are for the UK for the Edge/Endura?


If Ford in the US decide to focus on LHD products, it only leave Ford Europe to give us anything.

Best guess is that RHD UK sales of Edge are sightly less than half the total european figures quotes
(UK and Germany are Ford Europe's largest markets)

I wonder if Ford AUS will keep Endura to recoup some of the RHD development costs
and if that happens, I think they need a 2.0 EB version to get into the pricing game otherwise
other bigger 3-row vehicles like Acadia, Kluger and even CX-9 are going to be better value.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Yeah I know, that's why I went to Ford Oz's website today as I lifted the older reference off Ford US in 2014 so I'm just as confused. The only thing I can add having seen an Endura at Jefferson Ford a couple of weeks ago is that I know the Territory is definitely larger, when you see the two side by side the Endura is also obviously more steeply raked like a hatch as jpd80 posted. I need to actually measure the cargo depth as that's not something I can find online atm.
My current Terry is a Aug 2016 AWD Titanium so last few months of production. Before that I had a 2014 SZ RWD that was written off and before that a 2012 RWD.

good car! Keep your Territory as long as you can as I agree its impossible to replace for the money you would have paid for it.

Territory is 78mm longer than Endura, but remember it has a longer bonnet.
Endura is taller and wider by small margins - looks can be deceiving.

see my link above for Canadas specs where the thing is made.. all in metric too

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

good car! Keep your Territory as long as you can as I agree its impossible to replace for the money you would have paid for it.

Territory is 78mm longer than Endura, but remember it has a longer bonnet.
Endura is taller and wider by small margins - looks can be deceiving.

see my link above for Canadas specs where the thing is made.. all in metric too

Hey, just to finish up the cargo space conundrum, I went to your link as it's in Litres and the current vehicles list volume behind 2nd row as:
Escape 964L
Explorer 1243L
Edge 1111L

The Edge must be a Tardis

[prydey]

perhaps the Ford aust site is in error when it states 'laden to roof' in 5 seat mode? Perhaps 800L is the capacity when laden to seat height? Only thing I can think of given all other country specs for Edge/Endura are consistent.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Hey, just to finish up the cargo space conundrum, I went to your link as it's in Litres and the current vehicles list volume behind 2nd row as:
Escape 964L
Explorer 1243L
Edge 1111L

The Edge must be a Tardis

not having the mechanism in place for 7 seats would help
Also shows how big the Explorer is!

A lot of car makers only list the space as level with the rear seat. an X5 only shows 650 Liters

[Eurotrash]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Best guess is that RHD UK sales of Edge are sightly less than half the total european figures quotes
(UK and Germany are Ford Europe's largest markets)

I wonder if Ford AUS will keep Endura to recoup some of the RHD development costs
and if that happens, I think they need a 2.0 EB version to get into the pricing game otherwise
other bigger 3-row vehicles like Acadia, Kluger and even CX-9 are going to be better value.

Just came across the sales figures for the Ford Edge in the UK for 2018 and it's not good. Ford sold 1,687 units of the Edge in the UK last year and that was 58.9% down on the 2017 figure, which was 4,102 units!

Looks like they're almost getting ready to exit the Edge from the UK market.

Meanwhile, they managed to sell 226 units for the month of Feb in Australia, it's best ever result. It also managed to outsell the Holden Acadia, I know they're not competitors, which managed 219 units.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Eurotrash

Just came across the sales figures for the Ford Edge in the UK for 2018 and it's not good. Ford sold 1,687 units of the Edge in the UK last year and that was 58.9% down on the 2017 figure, which was 4,102 units!

Looks like they're almost getting ready to exit the Edge from the UK market.

Meanwhile, they managed to sell 226 units for the month of Feb in Australia, it's best ever result. It also managed to outsell the Holden Acadia, I know they're not competitors, which managed 219 units.

To be fair, Endura has only been on sale in Australia for barely three months, so still a lot fleshing out of sales.
Holden has a problem with Acadia in that it's locked into fairly low sales supply and even if its has more buyers,
I think it's doubtful that they could fill orders.

Sales of Edge have dropped significantly in Europe, I don't have all the split outs for Ford UK
but combined LHD ? RHD sales are as follows,

FOE Edge LHD + RHD........your RHD figures
2016.................9,882
2017...............16,000.............4,102
2018.................6,200.............1,687

Something we need to understand about UK sales of Edge, since 2016 Ford only sells
Titanium ( £36,995) and ST-Line versions (£42,995) and now, Vignale (£45,995)
So no Trend or SE model, like our Endura has. That pricing is poisonously high...

I don't care who Ford thinks that are, you just can't start Edge at the equivalent of
AUS$70,000 and expect any sales, whoever authorized that needs to be fired, fast.

IMO, the Euros are fed up with Ford ridiculous pricing and withdrawing the popular
8-speed manual trans was probably the last straw for a manual trans centric Europe.

[jpd80]

FYI, ihe UK prices I quoted in my previous post are on the road with 20% VAT.....
In comparison, FoA's pricing is far more reasonable but still a bit high

Endura Trend 2WD...........AUS$49,142 (£26,695)

Endura ST-Line 2WD.........AUS$58,312 (£31,736)

Endura Titanium 2WD........AUS$68,712 (£37,326)