vFacts May 2019

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by prydey

Kia definitely on the move but I think as with Hyundai, there will be a glass ceiling soon enough.

Hyundai are safe, they're looking at being the next Toyota, Kia are pushing the styling boundaries backed by a 7yr warranty, buyers are comfortable taking the punt as they know the warranty is solid insurance.

We can't afford a new SUV right now, so the SY will fill the void for 3yrs, but ive no doubt a new Sorrento will take its place at that time after the experience I've had so far.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Hyundai are safe, they're looking at being the next Toyota, Kia are pushing the styling boundaries backed by a 7yr warranty, buyers are comfortable taking the punt as they know the warranty is solid insurance.

I think Hyundai have found their limit. Only the i30 is really taking it to Toyota. The rest of their range is not going to sell in Toyota numbers. They don't have the broad range of models either. Kia are following the same path, just a few years later. Styling of both marques is now very good. The warranties are the best there is and have been for some time.
Toyota will stay top simply by sheer weight of volume. They have more models than everyone else.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

We can't afford a new SUV right now, so the SY will fill the void for 3yrs, but ive no doubt a new Sorrento will take its place at that time after the experience I've had so far.

I almost typed the same thing. Santa fe/Sorrento are pretty decent cars. Kia don't get the engine upgrades at the same time though.

[jgmdat]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Kia has already outsold Ford once in the last 6 months, before their new offerings arrived, I'd say Kia will take 4th from Ford before Ford takes third.
And they don't even have a ute....yet

I don't know how, today i drove four hours in a Kia Optima [not my choice] and i cannot understand why people buy them considering how many other choices there are. Price maybe.

[danzvtil]

Don’t underestimate Hyundai/Kia, they both have their new Venue and Steltos small suvs about to drop into a red hot segment. If they had a 1 tonne Ute, it will be game on for Toyota.

[kevino]

Originally Posted by hackney

Focus:around 250-60 units.As I said Ford are not moving that much inventory.Mustang I think was around the 384 odd units.ZB was around 670.Equinox was a surprise doing around 590 units.Mondeo? Do they still sell it?Again pretty dismal for it.Focus might ( I say might) pick up when they bring in more variants,But would not count your chickens yet.(Shame though,because it is a very good car.) Unfortunately Australians are more inclined to buy Japanese & Korean these days.

Re Focus sales.

Compared to LZ -models removed sedan and manual hatch … say 150 buyers a month?
Compared to LW-diesel removed. … say 50 sales a month?

Ford seem to be trying to kill their own sales. They then look at a declining annual world volume versus head count and get a shock on cars sold per each global employee.

They are killing sales by reducing variants.

Also SA Focus has transmission issues -3 second lag D to R and vise versa.
Don't mention powershift!

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Before I bought the Kia I enquired at Rebel Ford for a Fiesta as my Daughter has an 09 model detect and its a ripper, the only one left in the country was 21k so over budget, but had they been able to supply me one for 18k I would have given it serious consideration

mmm I think the late 2019 Fiesta ST will be around the $30K mark which is well above the Kia, but below all the Euros 3cyl turbo hatches.

I'm just using this car as an example as Ford seem to be attempting to position themselves just below premium models.
will it work?

[Vesper Martini]

How many Stingers were sold?

[hackney]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

How many Stingers were sold?

157 units for May.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by jgmdat

I don't know how, today i drove four hours in a Kia Optima [not my choice] and i cannot understand why people buy them considering how many other choices there are. Price maybe.

Irk, they cost a packet to engineer across so many markets so you want to be damned sure before committing

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by au2000

Ford should be proud that they are the only non Asian manufacturer with a model in the top 10 with the ranger, but that's it, after that 1 model, nothing else is even in the running to challenge 10th
Ytd figures

Toyota Hilux: 20,736
Ford Ranger: 16,645
Mazda3: 12,682
Toyota Corolla: 11,882
Mazda CX-5: 11,045
Hyundai i30: 11,033
Mitsubishi Triton: 10,062
Toyota RAV4: 9010
Mitsubishi ASX: 8229
Toyota Prado: 7833

Toyota -4
Mitsubishi - 2
Mazda - 2
Hyundai & ford - 1
I honestly wonder if the BT 50 was not so ugly if it would have been a stronger competitor to ranger

And where do you think the Ranger is built?

[au2000]

I know exactly where it's built, hence my previous comments In another thread saying that If and that's a massive if I was to ever buy a twin cab I'd go and buy a Ram, might stil be american built, but at least there's some Aussie imput.

My point was more based on ford overall being the only non Asian company in the top 10

[prydey]

Originally Posted by au2000

I know exactly where it's built, hence my previous comments In another thread saying that If and that's a massive if I was to ever buy a twin cab I'd go and buy a Ram, might stil be american built, but at least there's some Aussie imput.

My point was more based on ford overall being the only non Asian company in the top 10

Yeah, no Aussie input in the ranger...

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by prydey

Yeah, no Aussie input in the ranger...

Nah mate it's only take 5 blokes and a pencil to engineer a global vehicle. Assembly is where it's at.

[au2000]

Originally Posted by prydey

Yeah, no Aussie input in the ranger...

here is a quote from another ranger thread back in January

Part of the change that the whole company is going through is to move to modular architectures, and only 5 vehicle groups. What that means for Ford Australia is that the T6 platform will now be combined with the T3 platform and lead out of North America. Short term there are immediate powertrain job losses, but longer term after ford launch the next gen Ranger, it really doesn't look like there will be any more engineering work for us here.


So in part.. no... looks like upcoming Rangers will have little to no aussie engineering input.. That decision has already been made.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by au2000

here is a quote from another ranger thread back in January

Part of the change that the whole company is going through is to move to modular architectures, and only 5 vehicle groups. What that means for Ford Australia is that the T6 platform will now be combined with the T3 platform and lead out of North America. Short term there are immediate powertrain job losses, but longer term after ford launch the next gen Ranger, it really doesn't look like there will be any more engineering work for us here.


So in part.. no... looks like upcoming Rangers will have little to no aussie engineering input.. That decision has already been made.

Wrong. Gen 2 T6 Ranger development is in full swing now as Bronco mules are out and prototypes
running around, handover is just about done. Everest and Amarok will begin after that.
Handover / combining with T3 is not happening until 2028 or later as NG F150 is almost here.
The two vehicles platforms will probably remain separate for mist of their product cycles.

I asked the question of engineering about T6 Ranger and F150 being on common architecture,
I hear that certain engineers are still picking them selves up off the floor from laughing.
A lot of what's in Ranger can't be directly scaled to F150 and vise versa and if that was possible,
Australia would have never been given Ranger in the first place. The US would have done it themselves.

T6 is a lot more complex than most could ever imagine...
l leave you to guess how many crash tests were required to cover all versions of Gen 1

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by au2000

here is a quote from another ranger thread back in January

Part of the change that the whole company is going through is to move to modular architectures, and only 5 vehicle groups. What that means for Ford Australia is that the T6 platform will now be combined with the T3 platform and lead out of North America. Short term there are immediate powertrain job losses, but longer term after ford launch the next gen Ranger, it really doesn't look like there will be any more engineering work for us here.


So in part.. no... looks like upcoming Rangers will have little to no aussie engineering input.. That decision has already been made.

You’re wrong.

See JDP’s post above ^^^^^

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by vztrt

Nah mate it's only take 5 blokes and a pencil to engineer a global vehicle. Assembly is where it's at.

I thought it took a coop student with Windows Paint ....

[au2000]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Wrong. Gen 2 T6 Ranger development is in full swing now as Bronco mules are out and prototypes
running around, handover is just about done. Everest and Amarok will begin after that.
Handover / combining with T3 is not happening until 2028 or later as NG F150 is almost here.
The two vehicles platforms will probably remain separate for mist of their product cycles.

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Not trying to be a pain but I think that was my point from that previous post quote, next generation ranger to be coming out of North America, not the current model cycle which includes the 2021/2022 model which was the leaked wheels photos.

Short term there are immediate powertrain job losses, but longer term after ford launch the next gen Ranger,

If that quote I re posted is wrong all the better for the local guys as no one gets joy from seeing others loose their jobs however for me my hypothetical preference would be the ram.


Those who know the difference here can explain it better but apart from the hideous look of the BT 50, what mechanical differences are there between it and the ranger and if none, does anyone believe that a more appealing bt50 could have challenged ranger sales as they currently stand?

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by au2000

Those who know the difference here can explain it better but apart from the hideous look of the BT 50, what mechanical differences are there between it and the ranger and if none, does anyone believe that a more appealing bt50 could have challenged ranger sales as they currently stand?

I've often wondered the same thing...

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by au2000

Not trying to be a pain but I think that was my point from that previous post quote, next generation ranger to be coming out of North America, not the current model cycle which includes the 2021/2022 model which was the leaked wheels photos.

Short term there are immediate powertrain job losses, but longer term after ford launch the next gen Ranger,

If that quote I re posted is wrong all the better for the local guys as no one gets joy from seeing others loose their jobs however for me my hypothetical preference would be the ram.


Those who know the difference here can explain it better but apart from the hideous look of the BT 50, what mechanical differences are there between it and the ranger and if none, does anyone believe that a more appealing bt50 could have challenged ranger sales as they currently stand?

Just because they want them to share a platform doesn’t mean most of the work won’t be done here after they lay out the platform details. The platform is just something to build from. Still a long way from all that being figured out.

The 2 vehicles are so different i don’t even know how they expect to do it. 2 massively different requirements. The ranger goes small into the bronco and the f series goes massive into the superdutys that need to be massively strong and big. I think they will soon realise that they are facing an uphill battle making it all work. Its still a decade away anyway.

I don’t know how you can design a chassis that can handle towing 35,000 pounds, and making it work on something that will tow max 6,000 pounds, without making that vehicle significantly overweight and ridiculously over strengthened or having to have 2 completely different designs, which is what they are trying to eliminate in the first place. It makes no sense.

[jstanovic]

The current 2019 BT50 has similar if not the same mechanical/electrical systems at the PX1 Ranger. They haven’t advanced as the PX2 and PX3 has, so no Sync info system, adaptive cruise etc etc.

But I agree the styling is not favourable.....

[DFB FGXR6]

[QUOTE=au2000;6304102
Those who know the difference here can explain it better but apart from the hideous look of the BT 50, what mechanical differences are there between it and the ranger and if none, does anyone believe that a more appealing bt50 could have challenged ranger sales as they currently stand?[/QUOTE]

The PX II update was rather extensive, much of which the BT-50 didn't receive. As mentioned, some of that was tech upgrades (infotainment, active safety) but there were also mechanical changes such as EPAS that BT-50 also missed. Combine that with questionable styling, BT-50 got left behind.

I also seem to remember Ford had a bigger say in the production output of the Thai factory as well?

Combine all three and that would certainly explain why Mazda have failed with the currant gen BT-50.

[CyberWasp]

Something got lost from the original concept.

[russellw]

The Graphical Stats for May are now uploaded to the Tech portal.