New Ford 6.8L V8 for 2022

[chevypower]

In the world of small engines and EVs, it’s always surprising to read of brand new massive engines. The word is that Ford is going to make a new 6.8L V8 at the Windsor plant starting in 2022 for the F150 and Mustang. It seems to be credible to me. Watch the YouTube video.

https://drivetribe.com/p/ford-makes-...Q5mM-MCZD3duzA

https://youtu.be/Fxit9kh2M7k

[jpd80]

Was confirmed over a month ago by Jerry Dias as part of the Ford - UNIFOR Canadian contract.


The engine has great potential, the dimensions are only slightly bigger than a GM LS engine
and around 4 1/2" narrower than a coyote, perfect for that Falcon or Ranger project?

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Was confirmed over a month ago by Jerry Dias as part of the Ford - UNIFOR Canadian contract.


The engine has great potential, the dimensions are only slightly bigger than a GM LS engine
and around 4 1/2" narrower than a coyote, perfect for that Falcon or Ranger project?

Different block from the 7.3 then?

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by chevypower

Different block from the 7.3 then?

No but strengthened for more high performance applications.

[CyberWasp]

Now we know why they cancelled the V8 Raptor project until the 6.8 Big Block becomes available.
Imagine if they had the balls to do a Tesla and start taking deposits.

[MITCHAY]

Although the V8 is on borrowed time like the manual transmission, and even though I accept the future is going to be different, let's enjoy while we can.

There will be plenty around here for a while yet even if both are getting a bit expensive to pickup second hand

[ivorya]

Lots spoken about it here,

https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/thr...n-2022.148252/

[Bolly47]

Originally Posted by ivorya

Lots spoken about it here,

https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/thr...n-2022.148252/

6 or 7 liter engine fitting into mustang is too far heavy as more weight in the front chassis and rear end will end up more wheeling spin . Slower taking off the mark

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Bolly47

6 or 7 liter engine fitting into mustang is too far heavy as more weight in the front chassis and rear end will end up more wheeling spin . Slower taking off the mark

It will be lighter than a coyote, if it’s all alloy and pushrod.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bolly47

6 or 7 liter engine fitting into mustang is too far heavy as more weight in the front chassis and rear end will end up more wheeling spin . Slower taking off the mark

The iron block Godzilla is 130 lbs heavier than a Coyote, an alloy block would get it close.

[ivorya]

Originally Posted by Bolly47

6 or 7 liter engine fitting into mustang is too far heavy as more weight in the front chassis and rear end will end up more wheeling spin . Slower taking off the mark

Already starting to happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4VIJEQDtRk (Part2 is there too)

Brian Wolfe with his drag program

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHTXBRRzo-s


Also, Palm Beach Dyno has plug and play piggyback CPU's to run these badboys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLuGFaNmSq0

Lets see how they go before making comments.

[Nu66et]

This is a bit of a head scratcher for me. The 7.3 sold itself on the idea of being a heavy duty engine. A 6.8 is not much different, so it still makes sense for F150 but to also stick it in Mustang seems to be a complete 180 in corporate thinking.

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by Nu66et

This is a bit of a head scratcher for me. The 7.3 sold itself on the idea of being a heavy duty engine. A 6.8 is not much different, so it still makes sense for F150 but to also stick it in Mustang seems to be a complete 180 in corporate thinking.

Engines have a Gross Combined Weight Rating that you don’t find published. The 7.3 isn’t just marketed as a heavy duty engine, it is a heavy duty engine. If they make an alloy 6.8 for the F150 and Mustang, it will give up a lot of the 7.3’s capability. It would be easy for Ford to produce and probably costs less to manufacture than the Coyote.

[Franco Cozzo]

Why not just use the 7.3 and change the camshaft, it would be even cheaper

I'm looking forward to 7.3L V8 Fiesta ST! Mount it transverse and put it in the boot.

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Why not just use the 7.3 and change the camshaft, it would be even cheaper

I'm looking forward to 7.3L V8 Fiesta ST! Mount it transverse and put it in the boot.

I’m just speculating here, but it could be a marketing decision. Marketing departments like to categorize/class things, so 6.8 is in the same class as the 6.4 Hemi and Chevy 6.6, where the 7.3 would be too big. On the other hand, it could be an engineering/R&D decision, in that they found 6.8 to be optimal for the characteristics they were looking for. Maybe they give up a little low end torque for more high rpm power. Another possibility is to allow them to do a 7.0 (429) or 7.3 upgrade later.

I’m sure when we get some sort of explanation, it will be sold as being more advantageous to the consumer, when I’m sure there were other reasons behind it. Either way, 6.8-7.3, it will be amazing.

There better be a Fiesta ST Cobra Boss 445 GTHO Phase VIII, or I’m never buying a Ford again!

[jpd80]

The simple answer is a shorter throw 3.74" crank like the 6?2 Boss goes into the 6.8 V8
to make it a more rev friendly engine that makes an easy atmo 500 HP/500 lb ft
without direct injection.......

[jpd80]

Lots of potential for repower engine swaps, hopefully there's an affordable crate engine.

[CyberWasp]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Lots of potential for repower engine swaps, hopefully there's an affordable crate engine.

That is what I was thinking.
It wouldn't be a bad idea to park something to one side for a future project.

Hypothetically speaking. I know it is different in each state, but would a BA XR8 conversion be possible, as in the increase in engine size to 6.8 from 5.0.
Is that sort of difference legal?

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

That is what I was thinking.
It wouldn't be a bad idea to park something to one side for a future project.

Hypothetically speaking. I know it is different in each state, but would a BA XR8 conversion be possible, as in the increase in engine size to 6.8 from 5.0.
Is that sort of difference legal?

IIRC, light vehicle modification code went something like

NA Capacity (cc) = Weight (Kg) X 5

But that might change with much later vehicles?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

That is what I was thinking.
It wouldn't be a bad idea to park something to one side for a future project.

Hypothetically speaking. I know it is different in each state, but would a BA XR8 conversion be possible, as in the increase in engine size to 6.8 from 5.0.
Is that sort of difference legal?

Not just that but the problem cones from emissions regulations - say you bought a crate engine dated 2020 build.

Does it have to meet 2020 emissions regulations? Serious problem there.

[CyberWasp]

I would have thought that in the case of replacing an Engine from 2004 with one from 2022 that there wouldn't be an emission problem.

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

That is what I was thinking.
It wouldn't be a bad idea to park something to one side for a future project.

Hypothetically speaking. I know it is different in each state, but would a BA XR8 conversion be possible, as in the increase in engine size to 6.8 from 5.0.
Is that sort of difference legal?

Wouldn’t think it would be too hard to get an engineer to sign off on from 5.4L BOSS to 6.8L with less weight and around 100hp extra from the factory crate.

Would be like swapping a 7L LS into an 99-06 V8 commodore.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

I would have thought that in the case of replacing an Engine from 2004 with one from 2022 that there wouldn't be an emission problem.

At the moment there's no Ford controls package for the 7.3L engine and US emissions regulations are different to the Euro ones we base ours on.

You'd likely need to go for an emissions test as part of engineering, then probably subsequently fail it if they're testing to the current ADR 79/04 which is based on Euro V.

The emissions test is about $1300 per run at Kangan Institute Docklands which has an automotive emissions lab, I was curious about the difference between batch and sequential injection on the Lebonator and they wanted just under $1300 per run, which goes for about 5 minutes, so I thought it wasn't worth $2600 for curiosity sake

It's expensive in VIC but it seems significantly cheaper in NSW for some reason, maybe government ran?

I'm curious as how they determine what emissions regulations the car has to meet, if it's 2004 then no worries, if it's based on the date of manufacture on the engine than you're ****ed, you won't get it through unless there's a Ford controls package to go with it that includes a map meeting Euro V regulations (unlikely)

Has anyone here had a crate engine put in and engineered before in a project car? How did they determine the emissions regulations it had to meet?

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Lots of potential for repower engine swaps, hopefully there's an affordable crate engine.

The 7.3 is already available as a crate. Probably not that affordable though. 7K US or something around that. But that is just a straight 430hp production engine. FRPP are also working on a performance version to be sold as a crate that will be a lot more powerful.

The FRPP control pack is also in the works.




https://www.enginelabs.com/engine-te...-crate-engine/


While this announcement isn’t exactly a new one, as we reported the availability of the 7.3-liter Godzilla a few months back, we’re now able to bring you more information than just what is on the Ford Performance website, thanks to Mike Goodwin, product manager for Ford Performance Parts, engines, drivetrain, and calibrations.

We know that the engine displaces 445 cubic inches thanks to its 4.220-inch bore and 3.976-inch stroke and that the heads flow incredibly well in stock form, thanks to the large ports and 2.170-inch intake and 1.674-inch exhaust valves, and that it makes 430 horsepower and 475 lb-ft of torque.

While the peak lift of the cam is known to be .538 inch on the intake side and .600 on the exhaust, we were able to garner the rest of the cam specs as well — the first time they’ve been released publicly, as far as we know. The advertised duration is 297 degrees on the intake lobe and 293 degrees on the exhaust, with a 120.5-degree lobe separation angle and a 109-degree intake centerline.


While the current crate engine offering is straight off the assembly line from the Windsor plant, we are crossing our fingers that will change in the future.

“Drivability development is underway,” says Goodwin of the control pack currently being developed for the engine. It’s built for the engine swap customer, currently.” To that end, We were curious if the current crate engine varied from the production piece at all. “We get them from the Windsor engine plant, bolt them to a shipping cradle, crate them up and ship them out,” explains Goodwin.

When we asked about the potential for a more performance-oriented version in the future, we just got a knowing smile and were told that pretty much since the inception of the return of the cam-in-block engine to the Blue Oval lineup, Ford Performance Parts has been interested in selling a crate engine version.

With the current crate engine currently shipping, we’re very interested to see what the aftermarket and Ford Performance comes up with in the coming months.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

I would have thought that in the case of replacing an Engine from 2004 with one from 2022 that there wouldn't be an emission problem.

Yeah, I only think it is an issue if you fit an engine older than the vehicle. Then it needs to match the emissions level of the vehicle it came from.

Doubt it would be an issue for a newer engine, considering it would be cleaner than the engine it replaces.