is the 4x4 honeymoon over?

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

If I could onsell it right away, I’d take it. Otherwise I’d rather not.

Sure, insert RAM/F150 or whatever you want. Also long as you new actually in the market for a new dual cab.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by PG2

'We' (the wife actually owns it - even the grandkids call it Nanny's car and get upset when I try to call it Poppy's car) own a 2018 Colorado.

Ours is used as a family hack and grocery getter. Lately it is used to transport our precious cargo around - our two grand daughters.

I'll be clear up front, I am not knocking dual cabs, it is just the ownership of this dual cab over the last 5 years has had too many compromises.

Some of the things that we have found over the last 5 years with it are;

• If we have bought anything of size, we have found that it will not fit into the dual cab and I have had to go back with the Falcon ute and pick it up.
• We permanently have two car seats in the back seat so there is not a lot of room left. When the wife goes grocery shopping, she finds it difficult to undo and do up the tonneau cover. Also the shopping slides around in the tub and she has to half climb into the tub area to retrieve it.
• Speaking of shopping, the wife does not like the idea of putting our food in the same place where some sort of funky stuff that I took the dump was sitting the previous day.

I'll leave it at three. If I was to list everything people would get bored or see the size of the post and not read it at all.

We are sort of in the market for a new car with the only thing holding us back is waiting times for new cars, yes, I am impatient and not willing to wait 12 months for anything.

Our next car will most likely not be a dual cab.

and here in lies Franco's other pet hate - SUV's )he young/single and all will go through it one day IF and when the time comes haha)
All the above I agree re the dual cab fors and against, specially for the wife.
Mine actually loved being behind the wheel of the hilux (little does she care above all the faults/brakes etcetc) but the CX5 ticks all her box's and pretty much the type of car you'll end up for Nanny PG.
They also have their fors and against but the everyday mummy's/nanny's mean of transport that all that matters.

[Polyal]

If a bunch of tradies half coked up on a Monster energy drink, who have been on the **** the night before and have laden their dual cab past the OEM guidelines for GVM and distribute can keep it together then Id hazard a guess and say must normal people and Mums doing the shopping will be OK.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Doing a list of +/-'s will never end, the dual cab is not a direct competitor to the Falcon. People can cross shop all they like but you cant begrudge a vehicle in a different class, it was designed for different things.

Ranger may have been spun as a replacement for the Falcon ute but that's because no where else in the world did utes like us...so hardly fair to compare.

People obviously will because thats what they grew up with, or, just left.

Im sure everyone would get a RAM if the budget and fuel bill allowed. I am sure someone will chime in and say no still even if it was free and came with a fuel card.

Anyone that wants a Falcon ute can go into a Ford dealership and order one though right? Or even a Holden ute?


Good luck with that. No one wanted them 10 years ago, that's why they are now dead.

If you don't like dual cab utes, don't buy one. Simple. ****ting on people who do like them is just childish. Simple fact is the number who do greatly outnumbers the ones who don't, hence the sales figures. You are free to buy whatever you want, or in many cases, not buy one cause you couldn't even afford a new one anyway, and whinging about it makes you feel better.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by PG2

'We' (the wife actually owns it - even the grandkids call it Nanny's car and get upset when I try to call it Poppy's car) own a 2018 Colorado.

Ours is used as a family hack and grocery getter. Lately it is used to transport our precious cargo around - our two grand daughters.

I'll be clear up front, I am not knocking dual cabs, it is just the ownership of this dual cab over the last 5 years has had too many compromises.

Some of the things that we have found over the last 5 years with it are;

• If we have bought anything of size, we have found that it will not fit into the dual cab and I have had to go back with the Falcon ute and pick it up.
• We permanently have two car seats in the back seat so there is not a lot of room left. When the wife goes grocery shopping, she finds it difficult to undo and do up the tonneau cover. Also the shopping slides around in the tub and she has to half climb into the tub area to retrieve it.
• Speaking of shopping, the wife does not like the idea of putting our food in the same place where some sort of funky stuff that I took the dump was sitting the previous day.

I'll leave it at three. If I was to list everything people would get bored or see the size of the post and not read it at all.

We are sort of in the market for a new car with the only thing holding us back is waiting times for new cars, yes, I am impatient and not willing to wait 12 months for anything.

Our next car will most likely not be a dual cab.

What can you replace it with that can do point 1?

What will take both car seats and have room for the shopping that can also cover point 1?

Whatever you buy will still come with compromises, there is no 1 box ticks all if it needs to be able to fit 2 seats with enough room for shopping that has enough boot space to accommodate something that only a Falcon ute could and where you going to put that funky stuff now?
Surely a dualcab with a canopy covers the seats and shopping with a trailer or your Falcon ute for the big or funky items.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

What can you replace it with that can do point 1?

My car, fold down rear seats

Originally Posted by BENT_8

What will take both car seats and have room for the shopping that can also cover point 1?

See above

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Whatever you buy will still come with compromises, there is no 1 box ticks all if it needs to be able to fit 2 seats with enough room for shopping that has enough boot space to accommodate something that only a Falcon ute could and where you going to put that funky stuff now?
Surely a dualcab with a canopy covers the seats and shopping with a trailer or your Falcon ute for the big or funky items.

True, I wouldn't consider my car for off road stuff

[PG2]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

What can you replace it with that can do point 1?

What will take both car seats and have room for the shopping that can also cover point 1?

Whatever you buy will still come with compromises, there is no 1 box ticks all if it needs to be able to fit 2 seats with enough room for shopping that has enough boot space to accommodate something that only a Falcon ute could and where you going to put that funky stuff now?
Surely a dualcab with a canopy covers the seats and shopping with a trailer or your Falcon ute for the big or funky items.

Exactly, however these compromises are not something that I am willing to live with.

As I said, my post was about my experiences with Dual Cab ownership. I posted it up to give some input from first hand experience.

With the dual cab, if we do buy something larger I cannot take the car seats out and fold down the back seats. About 12 months ago, we bought some outdoor bar stools and couldn't get them all in the tub. I grabbed my wagon and folded down the back seats and they fitted easily.

A dual cab canopy is not secure enough for my liking. This is probably a discussion for another time.

For anyone who knows me personally, it is a running joke, I hate towing stuff.

I am not saying that Falcons are better. As I said, I was conveying my experiences and the other cars that I have are Falcons.

What will I buy to replace it? I was hoping for a Ford Everest, but with a 12 to 18 month waiting time I'm not interested.

You never know, the new Ranger may be a less of a compromise in our circumstances and we may well end up in another dual cab.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by PG2

Exactly, however these compromises are not something that I am willing to live with.

As I said, my post was about my experiences with Dual Cab ownership. I posted it up to give some input from first hand experience.

.

Begs the question, why did you buy it originally?

[FTE217]

I'm also I'm a no tow anything type, box trailer here and there years ago but s tuff it couldn't be bothered.
I'm also a naughty dual cab ex owner that when items too long or large I do it anyway.
Leave tail gate down, whatever can hang past the tailgate tied down.
Also dual cab had a hardlid, hate the canopies so always a hardlid.
Whatever was too high I just leave the hardlid up and drove home, use an occy to hold the hardlid down on the item but having a towel to avoid any damage.
Main thing was the dual cab did near on most things I needed to get done.
For the wifes shopping I fixed a piece of timber behind the wheel arch humps so all her stuff wouldn't fly forward when I braked late haha worked a treat.
What ever you end up buying won't tick all the box's as well, nothing ever does but most is enough.
I'm with you PG re wait times, couldn't be bothered, so much can change between 6 to 15mths - low k pre owned is the go to.
Recently I was in similar position about what to buy that covered my wants and compramise's.
Name down for the V6 Adventura, prior to be advised I'm in for the first allocation I had already asked myself do I really want another Dual Cab, nope, pulled the pin even easier when they said 6/12mths I made the right call in the first place.

Done it twice of late.

[PG2]

Originally Posted by prydey

Begs the question, why did you buy it originally?

Fair question.

Circumstances were different. We didn't have to worry about car seats when we bought it. Keep in mind, we didn't buy it until both kids had their licences as the son is well over 6ft.

I had one for work and liked it. I had the previous model and I hated it.

We thought we would do more 4x4ing in it than what we have. Once again, circumstances have changed with work etc.

I knew that the tub was a compromise when we bought it, however, whenever I have needed to use it as a ute, it has not suited my needs. I had to pick up an electric reclining chair the other day. I knew it would be heavy so I took the Falcon ute so I didn't have to pick it up as high to get it in the tub.


I am not saying dual cabs are rubbish, in fact, our dual cab has been fantastic generally, it just has not suited our needs.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

What can you replace it with that can do point 1?

What will take both car seats and have room for the shopping that can also cover point 1?

Whatever you buy will still come with compromises, there is no 1 box ticks all if it needs to be able to fit 2 seats with enough room for shopping that has enough boot space to accommodate something that only a Falcon ute could and where you going to put that funky stuff now?
Surely a dualcab with a canopy covers the seats and shopping with a trailer or your Falcon ute for the big or funky items.

A $1500 box trailer. Or just rent one for $40 for the 5 times a year it’s needed

[prydey]

Originally Posted by PG2

Fair question.

Circumstances were different. We didn't have to worry about car seats when we bought it. Keep in mind, we didn't buy it until both kids had their licences as the son is well over 6ft.

I had one for work and liked it. I had the previous model and I hated it.

We thought we would do more 4x4ing in it than what we have. Once again, circumstances have changed with work etc.

I knew that the tub was a compromise when we bought it, however, whenever I have needed to use it as a ute, it has not suited my needs. I had to pick up an electric reclining chair the other day. I knew it would be heavy so I took the Falcon ute so I didn't have to pick it up as high to get it in the tub.


I am not saying dual cabs are rubbish, in fact, our dual cab has been fantastic generally, it just has not suited our needs.

Fair enough. No one has a crystal ball.

Not everyone has a falcon ute or wagon as a back up though so many people would have to arrange alternative methods for large items regardless of what car they have, so bit unfair to critisize a dual cab too heavily for not being able to take larger items.

It's like saying sedans are rubbish today because I used to be able to fit a 44gallon drum in the boot.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

True, I wouldn't consider my car for off road stuff

I reckon my truck does more offroad than the average 4 x 4er.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Safer? Go watch the monthly DCOA compilations and watch how many end up backwards in roundabouts or get wheels off the ground in accidents

Or from earlier this week - the Navara that got tipped on its side and the driver iced when it got t-boned by a motorbike:

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-...erth/102320100

How is something with crap 4x4 tyres and a high centre of gravity the 'safer' option compared to normal cars?

I t-boned TF Rodeo at around 90km/h in 2011 in my first Focus right into the passenger B pillar and it didn't tip over onto its side:

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I walked out of that with some burns from the airbags, temporary deafness and purple bruises from the seatbelt pretensioners ripping me back into the seat.

The other guy walked out of it with a bit of a limp.

How the hell a lot more modern Thailand Special ended up on its side with that much damage from a motorbike hitting it?

I reckon its that higher centre of gravity at play, just like how all the SUVs pick up wheels in accidents, again you can see it on DCOA compilations, check out their crash compilations.

Franco, I don't see what this post proves! all modern vehicles including SUV's & 4Wd's are designed to crumble in accidents, long as you can walk away is what matters.

PS: I see plenty of various vehicles losing it in the wet.

[Rallye Sport]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Im sure everyone would get a RAM if the budget and fuel bill allowed. I am sure someone will chime in and say no still even if it was free and came with a fuel card.

Here I am...
Exactly what I've done with every Courier/ Ranger thats been offered to me over the years.
The work ute can stay at work with the fuel card in the glovebox where I left it.

[XR Martin]

Ram is a bit big for offroading in the bush though.
The BA gets scratched to the **** on the sides where I've been, can only imagine something a foot wider.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Itsme

Franco, I don't see what this post proves! all modern vehicles including SUV's & 4Wd's are designed to crumble in accidents, long as you can walk away is what matters.

PS: I see plenty of various vehicles losing it in the wet.

What do you mean you don't see what that posts proves.

That TF Rodeo isn't on its side (Like the dual cab Navara in WA that got hit by a motorbike), and the driver isn't dead either (like the Navara driver is).

Why do you think that might be?

I guarantee if I iced a modern hi-rider Thailand Special it'd be either on its side or upside down with how I hit that TF Rodeo.

Thats because the modern Thailand Special is rubbish on stilts, watch the DCOA monthly compilations and watch them all lift off the ground in stacks, same with SUVs.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

What do you mean you don't see what that posts proves.

That TF Rodeo isn't on its side (Like the dual cab Navara in WA that got hit by a motorbike), and the driver isn't dead either (like the Navara driver is).

Why do you think that might be?

I guarantee if I iced a modern hi-rider Thailand Special it'd be either on its side or upside down with how I hit that TF Rodeo.

Thats because the modern Thailand Special is rubbish on stilts, watch the DCOA monthly compilations and watch them all lift off the ground in stacks, same with SUVs.

Before you go winding anymore people up with silly stories.

Both driver and rider died, and it's very doubtful that the bike was doing the anything like speed limit for that piece of road.

So can we just leave it there please?


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-...erth/102320100

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

Before you go winding anymore people up with silly stories.

Both driver and rider died, and it's very doubtful that the bike was doing the anything like speed limit for that piece of road.

So can we just leave it there please?


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-...erth/102320100

Who cares - none of us knew these people personally, its two people who died out of the thousand plus there will be this year, out of 26 million of us, so why pretend to be offended?

Its just more numbers on paper as far as I'm concerned, someone goes out, someone comes in, the world keeps on spinning.

Even if the bike was going well over the speed limit, it still only weighs 150-250kg.

[Rallye Sport]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Who cares - none of us knew these people personally, its two people who died out of the thousand plus there will be this year, out of 26 million of us, so why pretend to be offended?

Its just more numbers on paper as far as I'm concerned, someone goes out, someone comes in, the world keeps on spinning.

Even if the bike was going well over the speed limit, it still only weighs 150-250kg.

Far from numbers on paper they were someones Sons, Brothers, Fathers and Husbands. Something that many of us can respect.
So, for a second time, pull your head in Franco.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Rallye Sport

Far from numbers on paper they were someones Sons, Brothers, Fathers and Husbands. Something that many of us can respect.
So, for a second time, pull your head in Franco.

Nah, you won't get any virtue signalling or hand wringing from me - get over yourself.

I don't care if you're someones husband, father, son, daughter, uncle, aunty, non binary unicorn, in the grand scheme of things none of us are that important.

Two people 3500km away on the other side of the country died, happens every day.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

What do you mean you don't see what that posts proves.

Come on Franco, surely you can't be that naive?

Are you a crash forensic officer? You have no idea of the events surrounding the accident. You can't just pluck pictures off the interweb and use them as some kind of evidence to try back up your personal theories.

If you want to put forward something credible, do some credible research.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by prydey

Come on Franco, surely you can't be that naive?

Are you a crash forensic officer? You have no idea of the events surrounding the accident. You can't just pluck pictures off the interweb and use them as some kind of evidence to try back up your personal theories.

If you want to put forward something credible, do some credible research.

The onus is on you to prove me wrong, I've linked the photos and mentioned the DCOA compilations you can see with your own eyes.

I've even thrown up evidence where I t-boned someone at a decent pace, and it still didn't flip the car.

Yet we've got a Navara on its side with a chassis rail punched in like a banana that was hit by a motorbike - you don't need to be a mensa candidate to realise that a high centre of gravity means its way more likely to tip over.

[MrEL]

Honestly whilst I've enjoyed reading Francos rants before and had a chuckle at them , here he is just coming across as a total flog.
Making comparisons between 2 accidents and not even seeing one of them shows he honestly has no idea.
The slightest different thing in any environment involving physics can change the result completely.
Did the Navara end up rolling because the bike actually went under it and launch it as the back wheel went over the bike where the focus hitting the rodeo bounced clear?
Impossible to say unless you see it all and have a degree in physics.
I had mates that worked in a panel shop and I'd drop in too see them.
Used to see many cars destroyed and filled with blood that the occupants get taken to hospital but walked out the next day and see other vehicles that looked like a carpark bingle but they were actually a fatal.
Too many variables to make a call.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

The onus is on you to prove me wrong, I've linked the photos and mentioned the DCOA compilations you can see with your own eyes.

I've even thrown up evidence where I t-boned someone at a decent pace, and it still didn't flip the car.

Yet we've got a Navara on its side with a chassis rail punched in like a banana that was hit by a motorbike - you don't need to be a mensa candidate to realise that a high centre of gravity means its way more likely to tip over.

Really?

Wow.

[GasoLane]

Before I close the thread for incessant rambling perhaps Franco could define 'a decent pace' ?

"I t-boned someone at a decent pace, and it still didn't flip the car."

[Big_Daz]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

Before I close the thread for incessant rambling perhaps Franco could define 'a decent pace' ?

"I t-boned someone at a decent pace, and it still didn't flip the car."

Not to mention, we also don't know details on the Bike crash he is comparing it to. The speed of the bike, as well as other important details, haven't been released, AFAIK.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by MrEL

Honestly whilst I've enjoyed reading Francos rants before and had a chuckle at them , here he is just coming across as a total flog.
Making comparisons between 2 accidents and not even seeing one of them shows he honestly has no idea.
The slightest different thing in any environment involving physics can change the result completely.
Did the Navara end up rolling because the bike actually went under it and launch it as the back wheel went over the bike where the focus hitting the rodeo bounced clear?
Impossible to say unless you see it all and have a degree in physics.
I had mates that worked in a panel shop and I'd drop in too see them.
Used to see many cars destroyed and filled with blood that the occupants get taken to hospital but walked out the next day and see other vehicles that looked like a carpark bingle but they were actually a fatal.
Too many variables to make a call.

So far in this thread I'm the only one with experience in t-boning Thailand Specials, you're all spitballing.

One of us here has actually been there, done that and got the t-shirt

I don't need some poindexter with a piece of paper to tell me about my car accident

Originally Posted by GasoLane

Before I close the thread for incessant rambling perhaps Franco could define 'a decent pace' ?

"I t-boned someone at a decent pace, and it still didn't flip the car."

Was between 80-90km/h, but my Focus weighs a lot more than a motorbike.

Even if they're difference scenarios, no one has actually posted anything to counter.

[MrEL]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

So far in this thread I'm the only one with experience in t-boning Thailand Specials,

One of us here has actually been there, done that and got the t-shirt



Was between 80-90km/h, but my Focus weighs a lot more than a motorbike.

Based on your comment one of us here also has experience in chucking a bike down the road and the absolute carnage that they can cause.
Have you seen the video floating around of the vehicle in the states flipping over because a stray wheel hits it?

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

Before I close the thread for incessant rambling perhaps Franco could define 'a decent pace' ?

"I t-boned someone at a decent pace, and it still didn't flip the car."

I better get a couple of pics of my 4WD in before you do then...