Lincoln Navigator coming to Australia

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I thought it was weird seeing Cadillac competing at Le Mans, out of all the GM brands why would you compete under the stale old man luxo barge one?

That makes sense, they basically took a long established brand identity then decided to tip it on its head.

I feel like all their efforts with Cadillac they should have just introduced under a new entrant into the US market, sell it under Holden in the US.

That way new brand to the region, no preconceived ideas about the cars and not destroying an established brand that it's customers are stale old men who buy floaty pieces of shit that drive like the Costa Concordia

That was all due to the earlier development work by Mark Reuss and Mike Simcoe (ex-Holden)
Reuss and Simcoe’s last chance with RWD performance was Alpha platform vehicles and the
Reworked Zeta II for larger LWB vehicles. Those two made sure that their RWD platforms were
near on impossible to rework into SUVs…..

Lots of raves over the vehicles but the sales never really materialised, I guess people who buy
German brands want to be seen in then
They’re like bling…….fashion accessory.

[Sprintey]

It's easy to understand GM management decisions, just think of the most logical solution to a problem, and then expect the opposite.

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by FTE217

you are talking about lost cause GM the last 20+yrs Franco.
Been a basket case - desparate is desparate, use any marque to make out its a new dawn, new direction yer yer..
Re read this - when you see the figures its mind boggling, the only positive that US Gov bail out is Ford looked great.
I recall reading way back then (09) the broke CEO's landing in their private jets asking for the bail outs haha
https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/...er-right-call/

And then the bond holders got crucified.

Edit:

https://blog.ganderson.us/articles/e...-gm-and-obama/

"The real loser in the General Motors deal is the legitimacy of the economic system in the United States. Although there were large profits to be made from the launch of the new GM IPO, a precedent has been set whereby a government administration can confiscate the ownership of a company, reorganize it, and pay off its political supporters. The former investors were betrayed by political decree, and once betrayed, the legitimacy of the system will never be the same."

[Sprintey]

Here's a Grand Wagoneer review that mentions in passing the Escalade, Yukon, Navigator and how it doesn't compete with X7 or GLS directly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKHxUjSLbrs

Got Chrysler's new Hurricane twin turbo I6 in it too. LOL at the 'fireplace scene' displaced on the screens for relaxation in a Jeep.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

Here's a Grand Wagoneer review that mentions in passing the Escalade, Yukon, Navigator and how it doesn't compete with X7 or GLS directly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKHxUjSLbrs

Got Chrysler's new Hurricane twin turbo I6 in it too. LOL at the 'fireplace scene' displaced on the screens for relaxation in a Jeep.

Geez those things are ugly, it looks like one of those late 70's American wagons, just with higher ride height.

[Sprintey]

I kinda dig the automotive diplodocuses, reviews of them are like a trip back to the 1970s Big 3 reviews in mags here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ2AW3xRM-g

As she says, "y'all keep buying them so manufacturers keep making them..."

The Wagoneer wins the review, and wins it for me - better interior, most comfortable drive, best economy, most size. A base Expedition at 58KUS (about 88,650AUD) plonks right in amongst upper dual cab utes and their wagons and for that you get 2 sizes more.

If work ever saw me go to the US and earnings permitted, the biggest one of these in the longest iteration, just because.

[au2000]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

Here's a Grand Wagoneer review that mentions in passing the Escalade, Yukon, Navigator and how it doesn't compete with X7 or GLS directly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKHxUjSLbrs

Got Chrysler's new Hurricane twin turbo I6 in it too. LOL at the 'fireplace scene' displaced on the screens for relaxation in a Jeep.

12 yards long, 2 lanes wide, 65 tons of American Pride! Canyoneroooooo

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by au2000

12 yards long, 2 lanes wide, 65 tons of American Pride! Canyoneroooooo

I knew I had seen that somewhere, thanks for joining the dots!

"......well it goes real slow with the hammer down...........unexplained fires are a matter for the courts................"

[Rastas]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Honestly, I can see both GM and Ford exiting China within five years, it’s getting really hard for them.

Happy to be proven completely wrong with this but I think the Chinese are done with western brands.

It's got nothing to do with USA vs China

It's all about the nearly 100 Chinese Vehicle Manufacturers and how far advanced their products are over anything Yank.

[XR Martin]

That Grand Wagoneer thing looks like a dual cab with a canopy, the rear proportions are all wrong for a wagon.

[Sprintey]

Went past Ford's in G Town today, their display vehicles looked awesome with 3 F-150s taking pride of place next to the front door outside the showroom. Did I mention how huge the things are when seen in real life?

[CyberWasp]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Now that would be an interesting remanufacturing idea, rebuilding last Terries,
Raptor 3.0 TT would be an interesting combo

Re-imagined Territory Raptor for 2025

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Rastas

It's got nothing to do with USA vs China

It's all about the nearly 100 Chinese Vehicle Manufacturers and how far advanced their products are over anything Yank.

I said Western brands so that also includes Euro brands which are all struggling
And yes, exactly because Chinese brands are taking back their own market.

Of course, the Chinese government would have nothing to do with influencing buyers….

[Dr Smith]

2025 Navigator model update info just released....

[Sprintey]

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2025...t-look-review/

"The 2025 Lincoln Navigator comes with a zen-enhancing app called Calm. You may already subscribe at the $69.99 annual rate, but a year is included free with your Navigator purchase. It powers mindful meditation routines. The multisensory 5- or 10-minute programs engage all your senses by involving the sound system, screens, ambient lighting, scent dispenser, plus seat heat, ventilation, and massage. The “Calm” lady can speak her mindfulness patter, or you can veg out to your own audio."

That front screen would look pretty mint with a Playstation plugged into it.

[Sprintey]

"Supersize Me"

https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-new...-a-huge-petrol

[FTE217]

I can just picture those well off asians buying supersize me for the 5' wife driving around the burbs near you in '25, look out carparks and being near them in a lane next to you lol.....

What a fugly beast.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

"Supersize Me"

https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-new...-a-huge-petrol

GM in 2020 - we can't be bothered anymore with you Aussies, so we are packing up and going home.

GM 2024 - we can see that you Aussies will pay through the nose for American-made middle-of-the-road vehicles, so we'll have them RHD converted and sell them to you for a massive mark up. You'll still get a middle of the road product, but we will make lots of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by FTE217

I can just picture those well off asians buying supersize me for the 5' wife driving around the burbs near you in '25, look out carparks and being near them in a lane next to you lol.....

What a fugly beast.

Spotted a black Escalade in Epping (NSW) near the big Meriton site today. So your predictions are fairly well on point, albeit the competing marque.