Victoria - Even more nanny state? Road safety strategy survey.

**Silver Ghia** · 05-09-2012, 06:06 PM

Today in the Melbourne Herald-Sun, there is a double page survey which invites the public to give their opinion on Victorias road safety strategy.

The survey is also in this website: http://www.roadsafety.vic.gov.au/

Participants are asked by grading various statements from "Totally Disagree" to "Strongly Agree". Statements suggest for example whether you agree or disagree to lower speed limits, increasing the number of speed cameras, increasing the number of pedestrian crossings, increasing the length of 40 zones, speed limiting new cars to 140kph, motorcyclists wearing hi-vis clothing and front numberplates, increasing penalties, etc. Subject categories include speeding, drink driving, pedestrian, rural and regional, drugs, cyclists, young driver, motorcyclists, heavy vehicle, vehicle technology, older drivers, TAC and other safety issues.

However the survey does not address at all IMO two main issues that cause road deaths:
1/ Driver Inattention; and
2/ Stupidity of drivers, pedestrians, cyclists etc.

So if you have time, have your say in which way Victoria should head to reduce the toll and complete the survey. Somehow I think that this survey is probably going to be a waste of time anyway, the Government and road safety authorities will do what they think is best regardless.

flappist · 05-09-2012, 06:35 PM

All they are looking for is affirmation of the agenda on which they have already decided.

You not there is no section for "what ideas do you have" as they are not interested in anything except money.

I love the "do you think motorcycles should have the same identification as other vehicles".

It means "we want to put front number plates back on motor cycles despite them being removed after a formal investigation found that they cause serious injuries because it may be possible that someone will get away with a speed camera fine and that is more important that saving lives".

If Victoria is such a world leader in road safety why are their road deaths per head of population about the same as everyone else's?

JC · 05-09-2012, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

If Victoria is such a world leader in road safety why are their road deaths per head of population about the same as everyone else's?

Very good question! And by whose measure are they the world leader? If they relaxed their speeding laws a bit, they would possibly find the road toll wouldn't change - but revenue would decrease.

Auslandau · 05-09-2012, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

If Victoria is such a world leader in road safety why are their road deaths per head of population about the same as everyone else's?

They are world leaders in the Speeding Industry. It is now a Billion dollar a year Industry and will be protected anyway they can. There is no possible way this will change, probably will try ways to appear to make things appear fairer, but in the end it will be protected.

Will fill it in but yes, it is missing a few of the those main reasons why there is a toll. Another being the fact that while things move at any rate of knots and stop suddenly, unfortunately, people get injured.

tranquilized · 05-09-2012, 07:47 PM

I've barely started and can already see what a joke this is.

From the first page;

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Ways to reduce the road toll can include tougher penalties, public education campaigns, new technologies in cars, changes to law enforcement or changes in road design.

Umm, how about Driver Education Programs?

Simple6 · 05-09-2012, 08:06 PM

Well I've done my bit for you Victoria. Survey complete.

Steve280 · 05-09-2012, 08:24 PM

as said before they already know what they ARE going to do this is just a bs formality, so they can say they asked

portokatsiki · 05-09-2012, 08:26 PM

Driving Education Programs x2. I have been saying that for years to everyone that ever brought that subject to me. Its ridiculously easy to get a license but 99% of the people that do get it would never know what to do in most emergency situations

Bossxr8 · 05-09-2012, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tranquilized

I've barely started and can already see what a joke this is.

From the first page;

Umm, how about Driver Education Programs?

Driver education programs cost money, while speed cameras rake it in.

Easy to see why they choose the one they use.

Greed greed greed.

Franco Cozzo · 05-09-2012, 08:57 PM

They were talking about speed limiting new cars to 140km/h max if they are to be sold in Victoria.

Jack960 · 05-09-2012, 09:00 PM

introducing a curfew for young drivers? that's just outrageous.

Bossxr8 · 05-09-2012, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack960

introducing a curfew for young drivers? that's just outrageous.

Eventually the Gestapo (Vic government) will install checkpoints around the state where if you don't provide ID you are bundled off to a Stalag.

Its heading that way.

Road_Warrior · 05-09-2012, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack960

introducing a curfew for young drivers? that's just outrageous.

Come to Wait Awhile, we've had that stupid crap for the past 2 years, as well as no "peer passengers" (you're not allowed to have your mates in the car)

TheInterceptor · 05-09-2012, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Come to Wait Awhile, we've had that stupid crap for the past 2 years, as well as no "peer passengers" (you're not allowed to have your mates in the car)

Ditto here in Nazi South Wales.

**cs123** · 05-09-2012, 10:41 PM

Wow. It's all about policing and penalties in that survey. When all you've got is a hammer, everything you see is a nail.

Even though I am a QLDer I filled it out for you. All "Strongly Agree" Enjoy your new police state.....

mik · 05-09-2012, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Damo

They were talking about speed limiting new cars to 140km/h max if they are to be sold in Victoria.

yes , let`s see which car maker will be first to commit sipaku by doing that, who would buy one?

Trevor 57 · 06-09-2012, 06:43 AM

A lot of people with a lot to say, how many have completed the survey? One I am guessing.

This is your chance to whinge to the people who make the policy

What I see here is a Government truly concerned about road deaths and trying every conceivable way to get the answers. (and I am a Labor voter)

So instead of p!ssing and moaning on here, give them some real feedback about your views on how to save your mates life

Persoanlly I like the 140 km/h thing, I have been a promoter of that concept for years, plus the more things that they can do to cars to make them safer is always a better option, as a former advanced / defensive driver trainer, training will only go so far, the person who is being trained has to take on board the information given and then implement it, too many variables for real big change.

I have seen first hand some of the safety technology available on European cars and we need to enforce those changes on to all cars.

This process is like managing OHS (which I also used to do), take to person out of the picture as they are the variable and then focus on making the machine safer.

Kesh · 06-09-2012, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Trev

A lot of people with a lot to say, how many have completed the survey? One I am guessing.

This is your chance to whinge to the people who make the policy

What I see here is a Government truly concerned about road deaths and trying every conceivable way to get the answers. (and I am a Labor voter)

So instead of p!ssing and moaning on here, give them some real feedback about your views on how to save your mates life

I've done it truthfully. (I'm a learner)

Kryton · 06-09-2012, 07:00 AM

Nothing good will come of it - mark my words.

Yellow_Festiva · 06-09-2012, 07:02 AM

I just got back from a weekend in Adelaide.... That place defines nanny state. I feel sorry for the residents that need to worry about the cameras that seem to be at every 2nd intersection and straight length of road.....

new2ford · 06-09-2012, 07:15 AM

I did the survey. There is the opportunity to strongly disagree with the "nanny" aspects so it will be interesting to see when the results come out whether people are actually discontented with being nannied or quite happy to go along with it. History is full of examples of people willingly handing their freedoms to tyrants on a plate, it's a human condition, especially when brainwashed.

There's a little indication in one question that the people working for these state authorities don't really know what they're doing. Not keeping left and "driving slowly" are lumped into one question in a way that demonstrates they don't really understand. It's all based on an emotive political agenda, not professional understanding of the issues of driving on roads.

Trevor 57 · 06-09-2012, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Kryton

Nothing good will come of it - mark my words.

God I love a defeatist attitude, nothing quite compares to it

Elks · 06-09-2012, 07:50 AM

Done.

Lots of leading questions. Or half questions.

I'm all for road safety. But they talk about increasing awareness and penalties, but if you look at the 38 page document that's attached at how draconian the penalties are there is no need to make them more harsh. Additionally the enormous amount of TAC advertising suggests that there is not much more room for increased awareness.

I pass through 16 speed and red light cameras on my run to and from work every day. That's not counting any mobile cameras or actual police. Thats about 4,000 oportunities a year for me to make a 3 kmh mistake and cost me a couple of hundred dollars. To be fair they get me once a year or thereabouts. The highest being 6km over. Dumb I know. But that's how strict it is.

12 months for being 45 kmh over and a fine of over a $1,000. It does not effect me I don't go there. But i think that is way to harsh. That's 12 months no employment ( or minimal employment close to home). That has massive impact on families mortgage payments and people who were not involved. You would be treated less harshly for an assault or burglary.

Lies damn lies and statistics. The highest cause of death in young people is road accidents, but they are unlikely to die from old age aren't they?

This is not to dismiss the or trivialise the injuries or loss of life on our roads. We need to do everything to reduce this. But all you need to do is drive a 20+ year old car in traffic to see where the real change has come.

Bearman · 06-09-2012, 08:27 AM

Done. Boy, there were some loaded questions in there!! It means some of my responses were fairly contradictory to others in the various categories.

"Increased driver education about behaviour around cyclists" should have read "Increased cyclist education about behaviour around drivers".

There were a few like that. That's how to do it though, frame the questions in such a way as to make the only valid response the one you want, rendering any other response irrelevant or make the respondent look bad.

Very sly. The nanny state is here to stay.................

jmack · 06-09-2012, 11:48 AM

everyone should go do it to try sway the results our way atleast then they wont keep pushing these crap results down our throats,ive just done mine,only takes a couple of mins just be careful what u pick

Kryton · 06-09-2012, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Trev

God I love a defeatist attitude, nothing quite compares to it

Call it what you want.
I call it being realistic.
Open your eyes and look at what state we are talking about.
Regardless of what the results say, they will still do what suits them best and brings in the most money - all in the name of safety.

Fiesta_Man69 · 06-09-2012, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tranquilized

I've barely started and can already see what a joke this is.

From the first page;

Umm, how about Driver Education Programs?

Why would the government bother with such programs? It would cost them money.

No, I'm sure the government can produce "scientific data" that proves beyond all doubt that having Johnny Policeman hiding in the bushes pinging motorists is the bestest and greatest solution of all time......

MAD · 06-09-2012, 01:26 PM

Done.

Interesting that they mention you are 75% more likely to survive if hit by a car at 40km/h than at 50km/h, but the TAC tells us our brain would be mush at 35km/h.

malazn mafia · 06-09-2012, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

I just got back from a weekend in Adelaide.... That place defines nanny state. I feel sorry for the residents that need to worry about the cameras that seem to be at every 2nd intersection and straight length of road.....

You for real? Drive in Sydney and there are cameras at every 2nd intersection and straight length of road. At least in SA you can nail it past a truck at over 25km/h the limit and not risk lose license like in nazi victoria.

malazn mafia · 06-09-2012, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MAD

Done.

Interesting that they mention you are 75% more likely to survive if hit by a car at 40km/h than at 50km/h, but the TAC tells us our brain would be mush at 35km/h.

What's worse, life in constant pain strapped to a wheelchair or a bed, or a quick and painless end